Two steps backwards - Tad R. Callister

[_mikuu]

I agree it was a regrettable discourse, especially using the old missionary comparison about drawing an infinite number of lines through one point (the Bible) but only being able to draw one line through two points (the Bible and the Book of Mormon).

As if there aren't already tons of different religions using both points.

And as if the Bible doesn't have four gospels in it attesting to the reality of the resurrection.

I actually tend to think the more scriptures we have, the more interpretations are possible.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

My preteen daughter said "if you place the dots on top of each other you can still have lots of lines." It made me smile. I am glad she is thinking.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

Nothing in that talk that cannot be fixed in post production (Ensign). The correlation committee no doubt are going over the already approved talks and making sure the correct message gets put into print.

[_Phillip]

My favorite was the absolute double standard that he applies.

Apparently the Book of Mormon is true because...it says good things about Jesus. That's it!

“I therefore, yet not I, but the love of Jesus Christ, entreat you that ye use Christian nourishment only, and abstain from herbage of a different kind; I mean heresy. For those mix up Jesus Christ with their own poison, speaking things which are unworthy of credit, like those who administer a deadly drug in sweet wine, which he who is ignorant of does greedily take, with a fatal pleasure leading to his own death.”

- Epistle of Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, to the Trallians ~107 AD


“They set forth, indeed, the name of Christ Jesus as a sort of lure, but in various ways they introduce the impieties of Simon; and thus they destroy multitudes, wickedly disseminating their own doctrines by the use of a good name, and, through means of its sweetness and beauty, extending to their hearers the bitter and malignant poison of the serpent, the great author of apostasy.”

- Irenaeus, Against Heresies ~180 AD

[_Jason Bourne]

Least favorite talk of the whole conference. Many logical fallacies. Also sets members up for a fall when they find out the Book of Mormon has major issues as far is it being a true history and such. More later as I am on the run. But now I know The Lord of the Rings is scripture because it inspires me to do good and I feel the spirit when I read it.

[_consiglieri]

But now I know The Lord of the Rings is scripture because it inspires me to do good and I feel the spirit when I read it.

But does it say nice things about Jesus?

[_consiglieri]

My preteen daughter said "if you place the dots on top of each other you can still have lots of lines." It made me smile. I am glad she is thinking.

Clever girl.

[_MrStakhanovite]

This is what a lack of solid seminary education reaps ecclesiastical leaders.

[_mms]

Perhaps this explains where he is coming from as it pertains to arguments re the Book of Mormon? (from a Callister talk here: http://devotional.byuh.edu/node/76 )

Fifth Principle: Sometimes reason and revelation are in apparent conflict and you must choose which will govern your life.
Each of us at various times in our lives will confront a crossroad—where we must choose either revelation from God or the reason of the world. None will escape. It may come at a time when a loved one is lost, or there are insufficient funds to pay one's tithing, or one feels rejected and lonely. But the conflict will come, not once, but on multiple occasions. It faced Moses as he was trapped between the Red Sea and the fast approaching Egyptian army. No doubt the powers of reason screamed "veer to the left or to the right," but the Spirit whispered, "March direct for the Red Sea." His allegiance to the Spirit saved the Israelite nation.

[_Chap]

... It faced Moses as he was trapped between the Red Sea and the fast approaching Egyptian army. No doubt the powers of reason screamed "veer to the left or to the right," but the Spirit whispered, "March direct for the Red Sea."

How crude we humans are! Next time I am undergoing military training, and the sergeant wants me to yell out a fire order loud and clear enough to make sure my platoon hears and understands who the order is for, where the target is and what type of fire to use, while all hell breaks out around them, I shall politely inform him that this is not God's way, and I do not propose to follow his suggestion.

When on the battlefield God has to convey urgent and vital information on which many peoples' lives and (if we believe the Christian myth) the whole future of humanity depends, he whispers. So much more effective and reliable!

No doubt the spirit will also whisper to the sergeant to make sure he takes my explanation in the right spirit.

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

So Tad's great-great grandpa decided that the Book of Mormon could only have been written by God or Satan, then (of course) had to come down on the side of God after reading more. I assume this nugget of wisdom has been passed down through the family and never questioned. I guess it never occurred to anyone that humans can write books on their own

Thanks for the giggle!