Darth J wrote:Stemelbow, here is the beginning, middle, and end of your one and only position:
The Church is true!!!
I always had envisioned all these folks sitting around chanting “DJ…chuh chuh…DJ..chuh chuh…DJ” when you post around these parts. They come clanging around relying on your points without paying attention to them sometimes. Anyway, that’s not really my only position. That was cute though. Thank ya.
The Church is true!!!
Uh oh, sumpin went haywire with DJ. Stuck on….there we go. Got him going again. Carry on.
Damn it! Until this very moment, I had not considered the possibility that "the Lord" was a Joseph Smith sock puppet!
Sometimes, when you realize the endless possibilities that lay out before you you start to embrace life a little more. Man, I wish the best for you.
For those who made it past a third-grade reading level
That’s me (barely). I’m in.
, let's review the condition precedent that the Lord gives in D&C 132 for being justified:
59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.
60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.
In case we are still missing the point that the Lord justifies someone by obedience to his law---rather than the Lord just looks the other way---
D&C 1
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;
32 Nevertheless, he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven;
So you with me now? So we clear that Joseph Smith didn’t have the particular little rules you’ve put out for us to consider pre-1843?
No, an evangelical has never told you this, because that conclusion would be based on the premise that God really communicated with Joseph Smith.
Oh yeah?
That's right. The Doctrine and Covenants unequivocally and consistently teaches that Joseph Smith can do whatever the hell he wants, despite a revelation addressed specifically to him in which he is told to obey what he is about to be told.
Does not.
Stemelbow, further to the point that the D&C stands for the proposition that Joseph Smith can do whatever he wants, can you explain this for me?
D&C 3
4 For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.
5 Behold, you have been entrusted with these things, but how strict were your commandments; and remember also the promises which were made to you, if you did not transgress them.
6 And behold, how oft you have transgressed the commandments and the laws of God, and have gone on in the persuasions of men.
7 For, behold, you should not have feared man more than God. Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words—
8 Yet you should have been faithful; and he would have extended his arm and supported you against all the fiery darts of the adversary; and he would have been with you in every time of trouble.
9 Behold, thou art Joseph, and thou wast chosen to do the work of the Lord, but because of transgression, if thou art not aware thou wilt fall.
10 But remember, God is merciful; therefore, repent of that which thou hast done which is contrary to the commandment which I gave you, and thou art still chosen, and art again called to the work;
11 Except thou do this, thou shalt be delivered up and become as other men, and have no more gift.
No can do, bub. Sounds like you got my position all mixed up in your pretty little head again. We may have to start from scratch…no not that Scratch character here. In fact we may need to get you completely separated from him before we proceed. You in?