Is it moral to stiff creditors while paying a full tithe?

[_Jason Bourne]

Is it true that you can't be a bishop if you've filed for bankruptcy?

Half the population of Utah wouldn't be eligible, if that were the case.

50% of Utahn's have declared Bankruptcy? I don't think so.

[_Jason Bourne]

As it happens, I am in that exact situation. Except i am the creditee (word?). And this has happened to me with a half dozen LDS in the past. for what it's worth.

Just to clarify, LDS people owed you money and did not pay because they first paid tithing and that left not enough to pay you?

Can you tell us how you verified that?

[_Drifting]

Tithing is on net increase. So one should take Gross income less all taxes less reasonable living expenses including debt service for say a home and a car. The net is what you apply the 10% against.

The First Presidency has explained that “one-tenth of all their interest annually” refers to our income (see First Presidency letter, Mar. 19, 1970).

[_DarkHelmet]

Tithing is on net increase. So one should take Gross income less all taxes less reasonable living expenses including debt service for say a home and a car. The net is what you apply the 10% against.

The First Presidency has explained that “one-tenth of all their interest annually” refers to our income (see First Presidency letter, Mar. 19, 1970).

I'm not sure if that's official doctrine. I know it's a FP Letter, but there was an FP letter that said blacks were less valiant in the pre-existence and interracial marriage is repugnant, and we all know that was never official doctrine.

[_Hoops]

As it happens, I am in that exact situation. Except i am the creditee (word?). And this has happened to me with a half dozen LDS in the past. for what it's worth.

Just to clarify, LDS people owed you money and did not pay because they first paid tithing and that left not enough to pay you?

Can you tell us how you verified that?

Sure. Of 8 times this happened (that is, 8 seperate people owed for consecutive months), 5 told me that: I have to get up to date on my tithing and then maybe the bishop will approve some help for us. Of the 5 who made this claim, 1 actually got help from the bishop.

[_harmony]

Sure. Of 8 times this happened (that is, 8 seperate people owed for consecutive months), 5 told me that: I have to get up to date on my tithing and then maybe the bishop will approve some help for us. Of the 5 who made this claim, 1 actually got help from the bishop.

Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice (or 8 times), shame on me.

[_Drifting]

Sure. Of 8 times this happened (that is, 8 seperate people owed for consecutive months), 5 told me that: I have to get up to date on my tithing and then maybe the bishop will approve some help for us. Of the 5 who made this claim, 1 actually got help from the bishop.

Hoops, I do not dispute what you say.
But there may be another (perhaps worse) explanation in that these people used the excuse of being behind on tithing even though they weren't.

P.S. Do you believe in a literal global flood during Noah's reign?

[_DarkHelmet]

Sure. Of 8 times this happened (that is, 8 seperate people owed for consecutive months), 5 told me that: I have to get up to date on my tithing and then maybe the bishop will approve some help for us. Of the 5 who made this claim, 1 actually got help from the bishop.

Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice (or 8 times), shame on me.

Hold your tapirs! You claimed "half a dozen" and then it turns out the truth is actually 5. So typical of anti-mormons to totally and completely misrepresent LDS people.

[_Hoops]

Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice (or 8 times), shame on me.

Quite. But I wonder what your response would have been if I had asked if they were Mormon BEFORE starting a business relationship with them.

[_Hoops]

Hold your tapirs! You claimed "half a dozen" and then it turns out the truth is actually 5. So typical of anti-Mormons to totally and completely misrepresent LDS people.

I stand corrected. My anti-mormon bias is showing again.