A Summary of my Catholic Experience

[_why me]

Catholics and lutherans disagree on the meaning of the communion. It does not have the same meaning for lutherans as it does for catholics.

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http://net-abbey.org/luthcomm.htm

I think that this sums it up very well. Don't you?

[_cafe crema]

Catholics and lutherans disagree on the meaning of the communion. It does not have the same meaning for lutherans as it does for catholics.

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http://net-abbey.org/luthcomm.htm

I think that this sums it up very well. Don't you?

Except that, what you've linked is a site put together by lay Catholics, self described as, a convert from an Anglican back-round and a convert from Protestant/agnostic back-round. If you are going to look at what the Lutheran church teaches you should at least look at a Lutheran sites, I would think they would know more about the Lutheran church than a couple of non-Lutheran converts to the Catholic church. You could start with this site from The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

From their FAQ:

The answer to you question is that we receive in, with, and under the bread and wine the true body and blood of Christ shed on the cross, Jesus Christ Who is now risen and ascended and sits at the right hand of God the Father. He is the same Christ, and when He gave us the Sacrament, as the Lutheran Confessions affirm, "He was speaking of His true, essential body, which he gave into death for us, and of His true essential blood, which was poured out for us on the tree of the cross for the forgivness of sins" (Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration VII, 49).

So they are similar to Catholics in that they see it as the actual body and blood of Christ and not just as a symbol I don't see that as disagreeing on the meaning of communion.

[_cafe crema]

Now I'm wondering if you know anything about being a Christian. (I know, you could say the same of me based on my behavior)

Well, for many non catholics the catholic service is about the beauty. But most catholics who go every sunday because it is an obligation that if missed, should be confessed to a priest. it is not about the beauty. It is about the worship. In fact, most cradle catholics see no beauty at all. They were born and raised in the RCC. Do you think that it is easy saying the same routine every sunday? Now of course, they are changing aspects of the mass in the USA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/1 ... 31908.html

And this is not going over too well. But it is not about the beauty but about the communion and other aspects of catholic life: the saints, adoration, retreats, and pilgrimages and catholic activities.

Please provide a reputable reference showing that "most cradle catholics see no beauty at all" and that "most catholics who go every sunday because it is an obligation that if missed, should be confessed to a priest". I do see from this that you never went to confession.

I see you've read up some on Catholic spirituality and have snuck in some of what you've learned. You're still missing tons of it and don't understand any of it at any real level as shown by this post.

[_why me]

Except that, what you've linked is a site put together by lay Catholics, self described as, a convert from an Anglican back-round and a convert from Protestant/agnostic back-round. If you are going to look at what the Lutheran church teaches you should at least look at a Lutheran sites, I would think they would know more about the Lutheran church than a couple of non-Lutheran converts to the Catholic church. You could start with this site from The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

Don't tell a catholic priest. He may disagree with you. The article was written by a priest. Now of course, it also linked to an ex-luthern site and as you know such sites can be trusted because ex-lutherans know what they are talking about when it comes to the lutheran faith, right? Especially since you get most of your information from exmormon sites.

[_why me]

Please provide a reputable reference showing that "most cradle catholics see no beauty at all" and that "most catholics who go every sunday because it is an obligation that if missed, should be confessed to a priest". I do see from this that you never went to confession.

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I have never heard a cradle catholic speak about how beautiful the mass was. They have been to so many masses that it becomes a mode of worship, an end to a means. What they do talk about is the homily, if they talk about the mass at all.

[_why me]

I see you've read up some on Catholic spirituality and have snuck in some of what you've learned. You're still missing tons of it and don't understand any of it at any real level as shown by this post.

My sceptic from merry ol' england still doesn't believe me...what to do? So, I am missing tons of it?????? I guess so. But so are you. Impossible to post tons of it. I can only make my statements, be challenged, and support my statements after the challenge.

[Guest]

I have never heard a cradle catholic speak about how beautiful the mass was.

Again, one is left to wonder how many Catholics you do know. I know very few and I've heard them say this a bunch.

They have been to so many masses that it becomes a mode of worship,

Am I missing something? Isn't that the point?

an end to a means.

Which is not the same as worship.

What they do talk about is the homily, if they talk about the mass at all.

[/quote]I don't think anyone here will disagree with your view that Catholics find their service comfortable and ...hmmmm.... standard. But that does not preclude a Catholic from finding a particular service poignant and significant, or lots of services. For whatever reason. I'm quite sure (though I have no evidence) that lots of Catholics find many of their services (all?) boring and insignificant. Just as many SBCs do. And Episcopalians (sp?). And LDS.

So what? That's an indictment of the human condition not of the service, in my view.

I don't really understand what you're arguing for, Walmart.

[_Chap]

I don't really understand what you're arguing for, Walmart.

The key to understanding whyme's posts is in the manner, not the substance.

He just likes to address people on the basis that he is the only one who really understands, no matter whether the subject is the CoJCoLDS, the Roman Catholic Church, working mothers, teenagers, and so on and so on.

[_hobo1512]

and support my statements after the challenge.

Let us know when this happens would you please. We all would have a BUNCH of reading to do.

[_Ceeboo]

http://net-abbey.org/luthcomm.htm

I think that this sums it up very well. Don't you?

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And lastly, Happy Thanksgiving, Why me. :)

Peace,
Ceeboo