Unholy and Impure Mormon Mouths?

[_Drifting]

In defense of the church, I don't believe Beesley is a true reflection of what is taught. At least not for a long time now. We (my wife and I) have never had a bishop or SP who tried to govern what we do in the bedroom.

I wonder how old this Beesley guy is? Maybe he's one of the people who got married back in the early 80s when the infamous "letter" came out.

By the way, who would ask a bishop or SP about such things? I sure wouldn't. It never would have occurred to me to ask about something like that.

One wouldn't have wanted to be the SP who had to instruct him on what sexual activity he could or couldn't get up to. I wonder if he dragged his wife along for the discussion...

[_Carton]

I'm suspecting that Mr B thinks Mrs B shouldn't be unclothed during their brief annual period of awkward and uncomfortable touching.

Hard to believe such an attitude could persist in the 21st century.

I seem to remember a GC talk not that long ago (If I recall correctly, by Elder Nelson) when he more or less said that what goes on in the bedroom is up to the couple to decide. At least that's how my wife and I understood what he said. I'll have to do some searching and see if I can find the talk.

[_Tobin]

Ah, I would have fun as a Bishop and I'd look forward to questions like these. I'd have a stack of Cosmo's Karma Sutra and hand them out like candy.

[_just me]

My parents were told by their bishop prior to their marriage to have sex with the garments ON.

That was less than 40 years ago.

[_Morley]

Mouths are that they might give joy.

[Guest]

My parents were told by their bishop prior to their marriage to have sex with the garments ON.

Kinky. Just because that bishop had a garment fetish, doesn't mean other couples should too.

[_Jason Bourne]

Haha! My jaw dropped when I read that the other day. Seriously, I was so shocked to see it typed out.

Did the Lord intend for people to use their mouths to chew gum?
Did the Lord intend for people to use their mouth to open packages?
Did the Lord intend for people to use their mouths to kiss?

The Lord obviously ordained our genitals to piss and crap and pass stones and blood...That is the sacred usage of genitalia. Oh, and to pass seed into the vessel.

+1

[_Carton]

Ah, I would have fun as a Bishop and I'd look forward to questions like these. I'd have a stack of Cosmo's Karma Sutra and hand them out like candy.

I know you're joking, but I think that would be very inappropriate, too.

I think that if a bishop or SP is asked, they should just say: that's up to the two of you to determine. If not asked, they should never insert themselves into that issue, except perhaps to note that scientific study and the consensus of anecdotal evidence both agree that a healthy and active sexual relationship is one of the most important elements of happy and successful marriages.

I also have always thought that one of the unanticipated effects of the infamous oral sex letter is that it compelled bishops and SPs to become voyeuristic inquisitors. Given the very nature of how "Priesthood Leaders" are regarded in the Mormon culture, it's easy to imagine how abuses could occur.

From what I've gathered from people who were around during that period, it seems like these were the most common reactions:

1. Those who already were inclined towards the idea that oral sex was "unholy" or "impure" naturally agreed with the interpretation of those terms in the letter.

2. Those whose marital sex lives were virtually non-existent and couldn't care less about such things.

3. Those to whom the information was conveyed, who were disturbed by the news, but then just kept on doing whatever it was they already did.

4. Those to whom the information was conveyed, and it was received by one partner, but not the other. It then served as a wedge in their marriages, and a good number of divorces resulted.

5. Those to whom the information was conveyed, but it was rejected as "inspired" by both partners, and they just went on their merry (and married) way.

I'm not sure which reaction I've heard the most. Somewhat surprisingly, it might be number 5, although I have heard of, either first or second or third hand, of a sad number of cases where "the letter" was singled out as a significant factor in the breakup of the marriage.

[_Tobin]

I know you're joking, but I think that would be very inappropriate, too.

Shhhhh, don't let anyone know that. Most of the poster's on this board still take me seriously and I don't want ruin my street cred.

[_SteelHead]

Only sex maniacs and perverts care about sexual fulfillment. Everyone knows that.

In defense of the church, I don't believe Beesley is a true reflection of what is taught. At least not for a long time now. We (my wife and I) have never had a bishop or SP who tried to govern what we do in the bedroom.

I wonder how old this Beesley guy is? Maybe he's one of the people who got married back in the early 80s when the infamous "letter" came out.

By the way, who would ask a bishop or SP about such things? I sure wouldn't. It never would have occurred to me to ask about something like that.

I have heard that oral sex is unholy and impure from:
my father (a gynecologist)
my ex father in law
two bishops
a stake president
and on a letter from the 1st presidency

This is still taught by segments of mormondom.