CONFUSED: Gay, active LDS, married with three kids.. WTF?

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Dr. Shades wrote:If this guy ever did engage in homosexual intercourse with a man to whom he was attracted, I suspect he would immediately renounce everything he wrote in that article.


A gay man married to a woman has at least the sexual best of both worlds no? So long as his wife allows it I suppose.

Edit to add, never mind.. he would never get that though --and from a man. She could sport a strap-on and a mustache I suppose.
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I believe there are many couples who live most of their married life without lust for each other's bodies. A lack of lust is unfortunate but in my opinion, not a sufficient reason for divorce in many cases.
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zeezrom wrote:I believe there are many couples who live most of their married life without lust for each other's bodies. A lack of lust is unfortunate but in my opinion, not a sufficient reason for divorce in many cases.


I don't know. I can see myself marrying an unattractive woman. I can't see myself marrying a man under any circumstances. Maybe that's a bad example....
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There are things that just strike me odd, like this statement:

Thankfully, Lolly was willing to marry me, and we found ourselves able to conceive children.


Um, if they have such a great sex life, better than most straights, due to fact that the lack of lust forced them to make sex all about emotional intimacy (which is a part, no doubt, but all of it?????), why phrase it in this way? "We found ourselves able to conceive children." It took a lot of work, by gum, but we did it.
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Stormy Waters wrote:I worry about the influence this blog post will have on people. Generally I think this lifestyle is a bad idea even if some can make it work.


That was my fear and others feel the same way going by this comment.

I share my concerns not at all because I disagree with your decision to share. All night I tossed and turned seeing that it possible that leaders and parents in the church will use this as a tool to try to pressure or assure our gay youth that they should make your choice. Our church and many others whos doctrine labels acting out on their attractions as sinful are literally littered with an aftermath of pain and heartbreak of the broken homes and deep disappointments of those who tried to follow what they thought was the wise counsel of their leaders. You were fortunate, it sounds like, to fall in love with a woman at a very young age and you have been able to function as a heterosexual husband but many cannot physically do that but sadly find out too late. Please tell me you are not advocating your choice as the best option for gay youth in general. The church used to almost universally advocate and encourage your choice but has stopped because it has been an overall failure. I personably know about 10 people who have given it their heartfelt and spiritual all to do what you are doing And for reasons way more complex I don't know one good outcome. None of them are happy like you. Over half divorce and everyone pays the price. The rest have stayed married and live as shell of themselves and their spouses hearts break and endure as they have been taught and counseled to do.


I thought it was a powerful story, but in the end it is one valid story among many other valid stories. One thing that wasn't clearly articulated in the post is that human sexual orientation doesn't neatly partition into two neat little boxes; homosexual and heterosexual. It is a wide spectrum, hence the very appropriate use of the rainbow as a symbol. The reason that there is this spectrum is that, like human height, sexual orientation is not controlled by a couple of genes. It is controlled by many. Those of us who are fully heterosexual have high proportions of the heterosexual version (allele) of these genes. Those lying at the other end of the rainbow have mostly the homosexual alleles. And there are those in the middle who have different proportions of both.

There are men (or women) sitting at the homosexual end of the spectrum for whom the thought of having sexual intercourse with a woman (or man) is repulsive. This is how most full heterosexuals feel about the thought of having intercourse with someone of their own sex. There is no way that the guy writing the post is at the fully homosexual end of the spectrum.

There is a very real danger that LDS leaders will point to this couple and say "see it is possible". Yes, there will be a small percentage who are LUCKY and things could work out, but a very large percentage of people who choose this route will end up in miserable marriages that will almost certainly end in tears, through no fault of their own. They will be fighting against their own biology. I think another factor in this couple's favour is that they are clearly both very intelligent, educated and highly articulate people and they came from very understanding families. They are to a large extent an exception, not the rule.
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Great article isn't it? I've been seeing these miracles happen since the mid 80's when I was assigned as a missionary to specifically help gays back into the Church in southern California. Homosexuality is indeed a mind twisting and crippling lifestyle. Simon, not really being associated with the Church for a long time now, doesn't realize that the leadership already understands that it's not going to happen to everyone but of course it won't be discounted because the ideal is always the goal.

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bcspace wrote:Great article isn't it? I've been seeing these miracles happen since the mid 80's when I was assigned as a missionary to specifically help gays back into the Church in southern California. Homosexuality is indeed a mind twisting and crippling lifestyle.

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Bcspace, if the church taught that homosexuality was the norm, could you marry a man? Do you think you could be happy with a man? Would you call it a miracle?
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bcspace wrote:Great article isn't it? I've been seeing these miracles happen since the mid 80's when I was assigned as a missionary to specifically help gays back into the Church in southern California.


And the 90 and 9 (non-miracles)? Are they the losers who didn't try hard enough? Tell us Bcspace because you seem to be the authority.

As I suspected this story will be used by ignorant Mormons to support their twisted idea that reparative therapy works. I just didn't expect it to be used so quickly.
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