Bob Loblaw wrote:... That's the reason I don't think much of Mr. Schryver or other people like him.
The old-man "I am going show everyone how rebellious and hip I really am at 55" pony-tail was enough for me to not think much of him. The stupid things he says and his utter failure at LDS apologetics have just been butter...
Having long hair means someone is being "rebellious"? Really?
Ludd wrote:I've now read the quote. It wasn't readily apparent the first time I looked through the thread. Sorry about that.
As for the quote itself: Ritner says he requested to be taken off the committee. Gee says otherwise.
Gee did not say that. Read it again. "I also will not comment on his removal from my dissertation committee other than to note that it was the department's decision to do so. There is much more to the story than what Professor Ritner has chosen to tell.” (Mar 23 2006, 07:47 PM). Peterson is the one who said otherwise.
Who is telling the truth? Why should I privilege one version of the story over the other?
Ritner was there. Peterson wasn't. That's why. Most people would take the word of an actual participant than the secondhand suggestions of wrongdoing from someone who wasn't there.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
cwald wrote:I find it very refreshing when I read a thread discussion, and it starts going downhill for the "apologists," that a moderator doesn't jump in lock the thread or start banning people who make sense and make the apologist look bad.
I probably should hang out here more.
I'm not a Mormon apologist. If I'm anything, I'm an apologist for truth. It's hard to find much of that here.
And where will you find "truth?" Over at that MAD board?
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Ludd wrote:Yes. We understand that you don't like Schryver. What isn't clear is that Schryver has done anything to merit your animosity.
Harassing my friends merits my animosity. What he has said on record merits the contempt of most people who have a conscience.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
1. Did Schryver have a written agreement with MI re his Book of Abraham article?
2. If so, did it give MI absolute control over publication of the article?
Thanks in advance.
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
cwald wrote: And where will you find "truth?" Over at that MAD board?
I wouldn't know. I don't participate there. What I have discovered in the past few weeks is that truth is hard to find on this board when it comes to some things, especially the allegations made about Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver.
Ludd wrote:I wouldn't know. I don't participate there. What I have discovered in the past few weeks is that truth is hard to find on this board when it comes to some things, especially the allegations made about Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver.
What I see is that you don't find repeated insults of women based on their appearance, age, and sexuality to be misogynist. You don't find crude humor offensive. You don't think spreading unfounded rumors about a professor's academic record is wrong.
Most of us disagree. Doesn't make us liars.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
1. Did Schryver have a written agreement with MI re his Book of Abraham article?
2. If so, did give MI have absolute control over publication of the article?
Thanks in advance.
I don't know anything about any of this. What I do know, from my own investigation, is that the allegations made against Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver are essentially all made up nonsense.
Ludd wrote:"Contempt of most people who have a conscience"? Wow! No hyperbole there...
I'm quite confident most people would agree with me. Sad that you guys go to such lengths to excuse bad behavior.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
