NOMs "Hiding Without Consequence" Stake/Regional Meetings

[_ludwigm]

Bc, in case there is a pogrom for NOMS, would you join the Cossacks?

"Kill them all. God will know his own."

Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

[_madeleine]

[_DrW]

Bc, in case there is a pogrom for NOMS, would you join the Cossacks?

"Kill them all. God will know his own."

Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

Sign at the entry way to the local Marine Corps Birthday Ball in 2001:

Only God can judge Osama bin Laden.
Our job is to arrange the meeting.

_____________________________________

Apologies if this is too far off topic.

Don't know why, but I often seem to get distracted / derailed by Ludwig's posts.

Good job, Ludwig.

[_Drifting]

It would seem that the Church makes an allowance for NOM's to be considered proper members and therefore not in need of 'keeping an eye on' nor 'sanctioning'.

“Members of the Church vary in their levels of participation or belief. Latter-day Saints who have seriously contravened or ignored cardinal Church teachings (publicly or privately) are considered apostates, whether or not they have officially left the Church or affiliated with another religion” (Encyclopedia of Mormonism [1992], 1:59).

Quoted from LDS.org 'Apostate'

It is little wonder that bcspace no longer holds a leadership position that requires decision making about members.

[_why me]

Exactly! NOM means different things to different people. My idea of a NOM may be very different from someone else, and that is OK!

Sounds more like postmodernism. Perhaps NOM is a reflection of postmodern thinking. However, NOMs have been around since the beginning of the church. But they did not have a postmodern title to help them belong to a cohesive group.

[_why me]

It would seem that the Church makes an allowance for NOM's to be considered proper members and therefore not in need of 'keeping an eye on' nor 'sanctioning'.

“Members of the Church vary in their levels of participation or belief. Latter-day Saints who have seriously contravened or ignored cardinal Church teachings (publicly or privately) are considered apostates, whether or not they have officially left the Church or affiliated with another religion” (Encyclopedia of Mormonism [1992], 1:59).

Quoted from LDS.org 'Apostate'

It is little wonder that bcspace no longer holds a leadership position that requires decision making about members.

Some NOMs ignore church teachings and advocate doctrinal changes that should be implanted. However, perhaps not in church but certainly on the internet under a screen name.

[_Drifting]

Some NOMs ignore church teachings and advocate doctrinal changes that should be implanted. However, perhaps not in church but certainly on the internet under a screen name.

You silly little boy.
General Authorities are discussing and advocating doctrinal changes all the time.
Take Elder Jensen as a good example of someone advocating for change and doing so publicly.

Are you suggesting that members shouldn't question, discuss, advocate?

[_ludwigm]

Apologies if this is too far off topic.

I think these are not really off topic.
My lingering illness is the association.
Too many bell-ropes in my brain or whatnot. I read something then it rings a bell.

1. At its most basic, a NOM is a Mormon who doesn't believe some or all of the church's truth claims ---Cylon
-> the classical definition of heresy
-> Heretics were persecuted during history
-> The title is "Hiding Without Consequence"
-> if one can not hide... then comes the consequence

5. What kind of jackass would go on witch hunt? ---3sheets2thewind
6. Bc, in case there is a pogrom for NOMS, would you join the Cossacks? ---moksha
7. How do you determine who is a NOM? ---Racer
-> crusaders who could not distinguish between Catholics and Albigensians/Cathars
-> we are at Arnaud Amaury, and all steps came with logic (OK, kind of)


NOM means different things to different people. ---Liz
-> the crusaders always use the crusaders' definition and that counts only.

Don't know why, but I often seem to get distracted / derailed by Ludwig's posts.

It is only one more step toward.

Good job, Ludwig.

Do You think?
Sometimes some people takes the wrong turning after reading my English...

see that things I can't show

[_Drifting]

Let's se the doctrinal position on Church attendance.

75 It is expedient that the church meet together often to partake of bread and wine in the remembrance of the Lord Jesus;

D&C 20

That seems to be saying that Church members should attend sacrament meeting often.
(Often could mean once a month).
It says nothing about Sunday School or Priesthood...

[_DrW]

Too many bell-ropes in my brain or whatnot. I read something then it rings a bell.

That must be it: too many bell ropes. That, and narrowly separated time zones, and the fact that I have real respect (okay, maybe even a soft spot) for communist era Hungarians who were in the sciences and engineering.

I was fortunate enough to have one assigned to me as a mentor in Germany. He was by far and away the best engineer in the company, and the German management knew it. He was the best mentor, in every sense of the word, that one could ever hope for. The six month Unterricht under his tutelage was the steepest learning curve of my life.


ETA: ____________What does this have to do with Mormonism? __________

Istvan had been to the States many times, knew about Mormonism and was not shy in telling me what he thought of it. Since, as far as I could tell, everything he said about Mormonism was true (and none of it was good) he not only set me on the path to becoming a real professional, in no small measure, he helped me see that Mormonism was a joke, from a rational and (sorry Stak) even a logical and philosophical point of view.

Even more so than educated Germans, the educated Hungarians I have met (of that era) know their philosophers.