MT Twede's court cancelled

[_Fence Sitter]

So...not only does Stake President Pratt make a mess of the letter inviting David to the meeting, he didn't even check if everyone was available before confirming the date.

Pratt indeed...

The bishop isn't even necessary to an excommunication proceeding for a Melchizedek priesthood holder. I wonder if this business trip was just an excuse to postpone the trial until after the election. If the reason given is the only excuse for postponement we will see it rescheduled before the election. One cannot imagine that the leadership of the stake would leave the threat of a trail hanging over Twede's head for more than a month due to scheduling conflicts alone especially since the initial date was so quickly scheduled. If the trail happens before the election then perhaps the bishop not being there was a legitimate excuse, otherwise it is clear they are just trying to avoid an embarrassing public event during the campaign.

[_why me]

Uh, Mary: you need to make an excuse NOW about needing to go to the little girls' room, sneak out the back, get to your car and get the hell out.

I just pray you aren't wearing light cotton, that's all.

Mary and I have known each other for many years. We go back to our time on the postmo. She was kind to me on that site and also friendly at a time when not many people were. And she was there on FAIR also. She is a good person.

But a little misguided when it comes to the Mormon church.

[_why me]

Now look up and see the hot air balloon and bring it down to earth. I wish you could see the truth and accept it, Tator.

Tator and I go back a long ways too. As far back as the postmo site. I don't know what I would do without my favorite tator head.

[_why me]

I think there are those within the church that get that. Mormon Think is not the enemy here. Truth is.

Okay Mary lets get serious here. I have known you for a long time and throughout that time you seem to gravitate to the more critical books about the LDS church. Quinn and Compton have been your favorite authors for years now. And you are drawn to the critic sites like a bee to a sunflower. And I can understand this.

I know church history but LDS history does not have such a negative effect on me because I see history as human made and so, I don't expect perfection nor do I expect a non biased viewpoint. Does the church hide its history? No. Its history is out there for all to see. Does it give a faith promoting interpretation? Yes.

But I do think that things are changing. We will see the LDS church be more engaged with its history. And it will come to pass sooner than later.

The simple fact is: we have the Book of Mormon. How it came about is the debate. Was it sidney, Joseph, Oliver, Parley or a divine work? That is the million dollar question. What brigham said or did...or any church leader said or did does not matter. What matters is the book and how it came about.

I think Mary that if you follow the historical writings of Don Bradley you will learn much. He has a good piece on Fanny Alger and now on the 116 pages and more pieces about church history will come.

[_Yoda]

Okay Mary lets get serious here. I have known you for a long time and throughout that time you seem to gravitate to the more critical books about the LDS church. Quinn and Compton have been your favorite authors for years now.

I certainly wouldn't call Compton a critical Church author. He is a member of the LDS Church in good standing.

Also, Quinn, for that matter, has gone on record as saying that he still has a testimony of the LDS gospel, even though he was excommunicated.

[_son of Ishmael]

Also, Quinn, for that matter, has gone on record as saying that he still has a testimony of the LDS gospel, even though he was excommunicated.

Interesting. I don't really understand how he could think that way but to each his own...

[_Fence Sitter]

Also, Quinn, for that matter, has gone on record as saying that he still has a testimony of the LDS gospel, even though he was excommunicated.

Interesting. I don't really understand how he could think that way but to each his own...

Faith can overcome any reason.

[_Sethbag]

Why Me, wtf are you even still arguing about? Do you seriously think it's not the information that's the problem, merely the "tone" of the MT authors? So Twede is facing excommunication for tone?

The Mormon church lives in this self-created fantasyland where it's all about truth and light and knowledge and all that. And they pretend that they actually know the truth, and have the light and knowledge. Shine a little light on some real truth about Joseph Smith and LDS scriptures and truth claims, however, and we see exactly what happens.

You could have the sweetest, most harmless person in the entire world recite the truth about Joseph Smith and his truth claims, and it would still harm many testimonies.

Get real. It's the information, stupid.

[_sock puppet]

What does it say about the state of the LDS Church if it goes on witch hunts to purge against those who recite correct facts, but present them in a negative tone?

Particularly when it is 'clarifying' that it's okay for TSM to drink caffeinated Pepsi and be prophet?

I wonder if the Mormon god is okay with his authorized agents misusing 'His' power to aggrandize and justify themselves, and weed out those that would have the audacity to present facts without spinning them to further aggrandize those in power?

[_son of Ishmael]

What does it say about the state of the LDS Church if it goes on witch hunts to purge against those who recite correct facts, but present them in a negative tone?

Particularly when it is 'clarifying' that it's okay for TSM to drink caffeinated Pepsi and be prophet?

I wonder if the Mormon god is okay with his authorized agents misusing 'His' power to aggrandize and justify themselves, and weed out those that would have the audacity to present facts without spinning them to further aggrandize those in power?

the Mormon god likes "yes men"