This debate is driving me nuts.

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Analytics

How should this debate be scored?

I would suggest that debates are scored by the performance of the debater. In determining the victor in a Presidential debate (especially), Strength, Passion, Leadership, Enthusiasm, and the ability to engage/connect with the opponent as well as the enormous audience play very key factors. Perhaps not prudent or fair (this is a whole other debate in itself) personality, popularity, and marketability play ENORMOUS roles in US Presidential political debates.

But it would be interesting to see how debate judges would score this.

I would agree that this would be interesting.

But the only and critically important thing about these debates is how the 60 plus million viewers scored it.

Based upon that type of criteria, I think Obama had the edge, but granted it was a very low scoring event.

Fair enough.
I think Romney delivered a clear and concise victory.

This is/was only debate #1 and I would imagine that the entire Obama team saw/listened to the same thing I did and he/they will be working extremely hard for the next ones to steady the ship. I believe Obama will be much, much more prepared and ready for the next rounds. (in my opinion, he had better be)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Krose

Ceeboo, you are still talking about this as a sporting event.

Krose, these Presidential debates are just like sporting events (I didn't construct this, they have been this way for decades)

My question was: "Did he win anyone over to his policies?" What about substance?

Policies and substance (As they all evade, by design avoid, waffle, deny,change, and modify - depending on the audience and/or opponent they happen to be speaking to and with at any given time) make very little difference in the outcome of these Presidential debates.

It is (and has always been) the debaters who win or loose these debates. Period!

But here we are talking about actual plans for actual policies that benefit or hurt actual people. It's pretty juvenile to focus on the sporting, competition aspect and ignore the substance of policy.

While I completely agree with your comment (although we probably would not agree on what policies and plans benefit and/or hurt actual human beings), I am afraid that the sporting competition is exactly how our Presidential debates work.


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Analytics]

Hi Analytics

But the only and critically important thing about these debates is how the 60 plus million viewers scored it....

Hey. I agree. The actual objective of the candidates was to win votes. Based on that criteria, Romney won.

I would hate participating in one of these debates--in such situations, not everything that is true is useful. In fact, very little that is true is useful.

[_Ceeboo]

The actual objective of the candidates was to win votes.

Exactly!!!
And only!!!

Based on that criteria, Romney won.

That is what I have been trying to suggest for 4 pages now.

I would hate participating in one of these debates--in such situations, not everything that is true is useful. In fact, very little that is true is useful.

Bingo!


Thanks for the discussion (and double thanks for agreeing with me. )
Peace,
Ceeboo

[_bcspace]

My personal opinion is that Romney engaged in a gish gallop of lies and half-truths

Well, Van Jones, a former Obama Admin official, said that Romney was able to 'out Obama' Obama so this must be an admission on your part that Romney was merely emulating Obama as a serial liar. But that's liberal logic akin to their notion that all wealth is stolen, not made.

[_cinepro]

How should this debate be scored? If it's in terms of which person had the best one-liners, acted most earnest and passionate, and did a better job of man-handling the moderator, Romney won.

The only score for the debate that matters is the one on November 6. Anything other than that is like focusing on who scored the most points in a 2 minute window in a basketball game.

[_Ceeboo]

Hello Cinepro

The only score for the debate that matters is the one on November 6.

While this is obviously the case, I think it is worth noting that these debates (at least to some measure, expecially concerning the pool of undecided) can and often do impact the Nov. 6th results.

Anything other than that is like focusing on who scored the most points in a 2 minute window in a basketball game.

Again, I agree to a degree but those "points" (no matter when they are scored) count! And in situations where contests are close (this one seems to have gotten closer from my view), each point has the potential to be critical to the outcome.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Bond James Bond]

My, but isn't Ceeboo giddy. This really seems to be like a sporting event, where the fans talk 'smack' about their guy doing well.

But I have a question for you, C. I know you are very happy about your guy's performance on the 'playing field,' but do you think he won on policy? Did he win anyone over to his policies? And what are those policies now, anyway? Much of what he said last night was very different from everything he ran on in the primaries.

If you want to make him run away try to nail him down on the age of the Universe.

[Guest]

Hey Bond

If you want to make him run away try to nail him down on the age of the Universe.

(That was a good one!)

Actually, if y'all don't enjoy my opinions/perspectives, just ask me to leave. I have never been the type to stay where I wasn't welcome.

No harm, no foul! Just say the word!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_bcspace]

Obama had his typical non answers. We already know he lied in 2008 and the more ignorant voters who typically support Democrats are beginning to realize that.