Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

[_sock puppet]

Hey SP

Back to your OP, without those emotions you would not have a God of the Old Testament and the New Testament one would not be angrily casting money changers out of the temple.

Disappointing!

by the way: How was that "back to your OP?"

Peace,
Ceeboo

Disappointed in the Biblical gods?

[_Ceeboo]

This almost turned into a pretty interesting thread, in my opinion.


Almost!

Ceeboo leaves the microphone open for others.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_sock puppet]

Honor,

What about the "wife cheated on you" post that I gave you?

Would you be willing to offer your answers? (If not that's okay too)

Do you think it would matter/change what one might find below the surface if someone was an atheist or a believer in a God?

Peace,
Ceeboo

Would a theist have different emotions below the surface upon finding out his wife cheated on him than would the unbeliever?

I doubt it. I've known cuckolded gents, both theist and not. Those that are theists don't seem to take it any more kindly to it, when they find out, than do non-theists.

Now, I do think that ladies have a stronger, longer emotional reaction than most gents do.

If you find some studies that show reactions differ in a statistically significant way depending on whether the cuckolded one is theistic or not, I'd be fascinated to see the write-up and the conclusions drawn by those that conducted the studies.

[_honorentheos]

That's why I'm here - representing the lizard brain. :)

Are you a "Dexter" fan?

Yes, I am.

[_Yoda]

That's why I'm here - representing the lizard brain. :)

Are you a "Dexter" fan?

Yes, I am.

Ha! I thought so!

[_Ceeboo]

Honor,

What about the "wife cheated on you" post that I gave you?

Would you be willing to offer your answers? (If not that's okay too)

Do you think it would matter/change what one might find below the surface if someone was an atheist or a believer in a God?

Peace,
Ceeboo

Would a theist have different emotions below the surface upon finding out his wife cheated on him than would the unbeliever?

I doubt it. I've known cuckolded gents, both theist and not. Those that are theists don't seem to take it any more kindly to it, when they find out, than do non-theists.

Now, I do think that ladies have a stronger, longer emotional reaction than most gents do.

If you find some studies that show reactions differ in a statistically significant way depending on whether the cuckolded one is theistic or not, I'd be fascinated to see the write-up and the conclusions drawn by those that conducted the studies.

You realize you are agreeing with me, yes?



Peace,
Ceeboo

[_honorentheos]

Hi Ceeboo,

Sorry I didn't mean to gloss over this question. I thought I might have addressed it generally with my other comments. But I'll look at it more specifically.

Say your wife cheated on you.
You are furious, scared, disappointed, and many other things.
Are these things not rooted in personal and deep hurt, pain, disappointment, fear?

Yes. I think all of the above would be included in how I felt. Unless it was a girl-girl thing. Then I'd probably be mostly disappointed that I wasn't asked to be part of it... Maybe that is a valid difference?

Honor,

What about the "wife cheated on you" post that I gave you?

Would you be willing to offer your answers? (If not that's okay too)

Do you think it would matter/change what one might find below the surface if someone was an atheist or a believer in a God?

Peace,
Ceeboo

I don't think it would change what a person felt.

I do think some people might be more inclined to forgive if they had a sense this was the right thing to do. In some cases, I think religion would aid in this. In others it might make it more difficult. I've known Mormons who got divorced over porn. That blows me away, to be honest. I've known a few swingers, too. Not sure they were particularly religious and they had a very different idea of what it meant to cheat than your or maybe I have. Maybe.

Again, I think people are too complex to break out neatly along lines of theist/atheist on this. I'm more inclined to think a person who views us as frail and prone to make mistakes might be more inclined to forgive than someone who focuses on feelings of betrayal, anger, and pain. I think some atheists could find valid reasons for moving past such an event while some won't. Likewise with theists.

Not sure if that answers your question or not.

[_Ceeboo]

Yes. I think all of the above would be included in how I felt. Unless it was a girl-girl thing. Then I'd probably be mostly disappointed that I wasn't asked to be part of it... Maybe that is a valid difference?

I do think some people might be more inclined to forgive if they had a sense this was the right thing to do. In some cases, I think religion would aid in this. In others it might make it more difficult. I've known Mormons who got divorced over porn. That blows me away, to be honest. I've known a few swingers, too. Not sure they were particularly religious and they had a very different idea of what it meant to cheat than your or maybe I have. Maybe.


Again, I think people are too complex to break out neatly along lines of theist/atheist on this. I'm more inclined to think a person who views us as frail and prone to make mistakes might be more inclined to forgive than someone who focuses on feelings of betrayal, anger, and pain. I think some atheists could find valid reasons for moving past such an event while some won't. Likewise with theists.

I agree with all of this. (I surely thought you were offering a different opinion than this before)

Seems as though there was some confusion between us? (Or at least me?) I thought you were saying that this (pain, hurt, disappointment being under the mask of anger, vitriol, angst) might be different depending on someone being a Theist or an Atheist.

My opinion is that, for the most part, it matters very little (if at all) when considering the OP.

Clear as mud?

Not sure if that answers your question or not.

I think so.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_zeezrom]

As a TBM in high school, I told my good friend that Jesus never got angry. He reminded me of the money changers, just as Sock Puppet reminds us again.

[_honorentheos]

As a TBM in high school, I told my good friend that Jesus never got angry. He reminded me of the money changers, just as Sock Puppet reminds us again.

You might find this interesting, Zeez:

Mark 1:41

ETA: Ehrman's own words which are even better: http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/v05/Ehrman2000a.html