Why would God design an organism that does this?

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Re: Why would God design an organism that does this?

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KevinSim wrote:What exactly does that mean, "almighty creator of all things"? What exactly does almighty mean, anyhow? What is it about a deity that makes you think a deity could have done "just a little better"?


IMHO, any deity that accepts child abuse as acceptable short term collateral damage in furthering His grand eternal plan, could have done 'just a little better'.
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Bazooka wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:Penguins don't have a sense of morality like many humans. God doesn't hold them accountable.
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CFR.


No references. Just my opinion. Here's an interesting article I read yesterday that supports my general premise. Doesn't really say anything about God though. I suppose I'm open to the possibility that within the sphere of operation/intelligence that penguins are living within there might be some kind of accountability, if that's what's bugging you. :smile:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... -fallacies

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mentalgymnast wrote:Penguins don't have a sense of morality like many humans. God doesn't hold them accountable.
Regards,

No references. Just my opinion. Here's an interesting article I read yesterday that supports my general premise. Doesn't really say anything about God though. I suppose I'm open to the possibility that within the sphere of operation/intelligence that penguins are living within there might be some kind of accountability, if that's what's bugging you. :smile:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... -fallacies

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MG


So you support the principle of same-sex marriage?
(from the article you linked)
Is homosexuality moral or immoral? That might be an interesting question, but the more pertinent one is this: Why should anyone care? What evolutionary process or event has caused people to have the fears, concerns, interests, and orientations they have about their own and others' sexuality?
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Re: Why would God design an organism that does this?

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Still no reasonable explanation why God would create necrophiliac rapist penguins.

Or ducks.

I just don't get it.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Still no reasonable explanation why God would create necrophiliac rapist penguins.

Or ducks.

I just don't get it.

- Doc

Hey Doc,

No God -> No problem.

It is quite amazing, actually, to consider how many problems and inconsistencies in our understanding of the world just disappear with the simple assumption that there is no invisible friend who lives in the sky and does colossal magic tricks from time to time to impress humans.
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Re: Why would God design an organism that does this?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Antarctic penguins frequently rape their newborn chicks, gang rape other females/males, eat their newborns, rape the corpses of their newborns (sometimes the same corpse for days on end) and regularly form mobs to assault, rape, kill, and eat other penguins.


- Doc


There you go blaming the masses for the deeds of a few bad eggs. These miscreants probably flew the coop at an early age. I am shocked by the anti-avian tone that this message sends.
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moksha wrote:There you go blaming the masses for the deeds of a few bad eggs. These miscreants probably flew the coop at an early age. I am shocked by the anti-avian tone that this message sends.


There was a time when we believed that Penguins had been less valiant in the pre existence and so their race...err...species....had to be cursed with a sore curse. Even living in a cold climate and wearing a skin of bla.....featheryness. Now we don't know that such a policy has any doctrinal basis, nor is their any evidence of a revelation being received. What we can say, is that is all behind us and that Penguins are now welcome into the full fellowship of the board. Even the ones that can't keep their little chilly pecker to themselves....
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Re: Why would God design an organism that does this?

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Chap wrote:Dammit, we're talking design here.

And this [raping necrophiliac avians] is the best that the almighty creator of all things can manage? If I was a software engineer and designed a program with bugs in it like that, I'd expect to be fired. Surely a deity could do just a little better?


Bazooka wrote:
KevinSim wrote:What exactly does that mean, "almighty creator of all things"? What exactly does almighty mean, anyhow? What is it about a deity that makes you think a deity could have done "just a little better"?


IMHO, any deity that accepts child abuse as acceptable short term collateral damage in furthering His grand eternal plan, could have done 'just a little better'.


I was hoping that might be obvious, but evidently it wasn't, so thanks for pointing it out!
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Re: Why would God design an organism that does this?

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Chap wrote:I was hoping that might be obvious, but evidently it wasn't, so thanks for pointing it out!


Of course, the God of LDS theology isn't really "almighty." He has to follow the rules that Gods have always followed. So, the answer to the OP is that God had no choice; that's just the way the universe works.

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Re: Why would God design an organism that does this?

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Runtu wrote:
Chap wrote:I was hoping that might be obvious, but evidently it wasn't, so thanks for pointing it out!


Of course, the God of LDS theology isn't really "almighty." He has to follow the rules that Gods have always followed. So, the answer to the OP is that God had no choice; that's just the way the universe works.

It's turtles all the way down.


But Daddy, rules don't just come from nowhere. So: who made the rules for the LDS deity?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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