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LittleNipper wrote:First off, we do not know how long lizards may have lived. If man could then live nearly 1000 years and lizards continue to grow their entire lifespan, I see that as one possibility. Another is that there are legends concerning dragons. The name dinosaur is a very modern term. I'm sure that they died out, etc... I see you love to make fun of the fact that there are unexplainable Chinese connections with the biblical tale of Noah. But the obvious reality is that the Chinese Emperors are a post Flood institution.


First off, first off, dinosaurs were not lizards and they didn't all die out. The dinosaurs that are still left we now call birds (recently reclassified as avian dinosaurs). Most of them, however, went extinct 65 million years ago.

There are estimated to have been over 1,000 species of dinosaurs. Many of them were quite large (really, really large). If Noah had to load them on the boat, two by two, he would have had to make room for over 2,000 of them. It must have been a very big boat. If you include the hundreds of thousands of other species that must have been needed, I'm quite sure that the largest modern aircraft carrier would not be able to hold them all (never mind all the food and fresh water required).

It's a quaint story, but not a real story.
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Quasimodo wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:First off, we do not know how long lizards may have lived. If man could then live nearly 1000 years and lizards continue to grow their entire lifespan, I see that as one possibility. Another is that there are legends concerning dragons. The name dinosaur is a very modern term. I'm sure that they died out, etc... I see you love to make fun of the fact that there are unexplainable Chinese connections with the biblical tale of Noah. But the obvious reality is that the Chinese Emperors are a post Flood institution.


First off, first off, dinosaurs were not lizards and they didn't all die out. The dinosaurs that are still left we now call birds (recently reclassified as avian dinosaurs). Most of them, however, went extinct 65 million years ago.

There are estimated to have been over 1,000 species of dinosaurs. Many of them were quite large (really, really large). If Noah had to load them on the boat, two by two, he would have had to make room for over 2,000 of them. It must have been a very big boat. If you include the hundreds of thousands of other species that must have been needed, I'm quite sure that the largest modern aircraft carrier would not be able to hold them all (never mind all the food and fresh water required).

It's a quaint story, but not a real story.

First off, second off, third off, you think you know a lot of popular "science fiction," and what you are told by a group of people who do not believe in God, the Bible, and want to believe that we just popped into existence all on our own after some cosmic super expansion explosion. There is NO know way of knowing how many species of dinosaurs there were because we only have fossils. Animals have a way of changing as they get older ---- as do humans to a lesser degree... We do not know how they actually lived nor how old they lived to be. Baby dinosaurs were much smaller and YOU cannot actually tell me how long they needed to be weaned or if in fact they were weaned. ALL you've got is imagination and some bones. And those bones are the result of mass water/mud burial. That we do know! And lets face one fact. Where there is rain, there is water and plenty of it...........................! Animals forced into hibernation require very little maintenance, and God could very easily have done just whatever HE wished. And yes, I do believe some dinosaurs may have had feathers. Ostriches and Emues are rather large but not baby ones. So get over it. I believe in an Almighty GOD and you have faith in materialistic know-it-all scientists. I'll take God any day ---- and not a Mormon one!
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This may be the funniest post I've read on this board, so far.

LittleNipper wrote: First off, second off, third off, you think you know a lot of popular "science fiction," and what you are told by a group of people who do not believe in God, the Bible, and want to believe that we just popped into existence all on our own after some cosmic super expansion explosion. There is NO know way of knowing how many species of dinosaurs there were because we only have fossils.


Science fiction is Star Wars. I'm talking about science facts. I have no idea if these researchers believe in your Bible or not (neither do you). They are just trying to find out the truth of things without any preconceived ideas.

Approximately 700 dinosaur species have been identified from fossil records. The conservative estimation of a thousand species is an extrapolation of that figure. There were probably many more than that.

LittleNipper wrote: Animals have a way of changing as they get older ---- as do humans to a lesser degree... We do not know how they actually lived nor how old they lived to be. Baby dinosaurs were much smaller and YOU cannot actually tell me how long they needed to be weaned or if in fact they were weaned.


Dinosaurs didn't need to be be weaned. Only mammals need that. Dinosaurs were like birds, no mammary glands. There is some evidence that momma dinosaurs fed their young in the same way that birds do, but soon after hatching, they were pretty much on their own.

LittleNipper wrote: ALL you've got is imagination and some bones. And those bones are the result of mass water/mud burial. That we do know! And lets face one fact. Where there is rain, there is water and plenty of it...........................! Animals forced into hibernation require very little maintenance, and God could very easily have done just whatever HE wished. And yes, I do believe some dinosaurs may have had feathers. Ostriches and Emues are rather large but not baby ones. So get over it. I believe in an Almighty GOD and you have faith in materialistic know-it-all scientists. I'll take God any day ---- and not a Mormon one!


No, it's not my imagination. Just the facts. The bones we are talking about are found in layers of STONE (not mud) that are reliably dated to many millions of years ago.

What proofs do you have to counter that?
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LittleNipper wrote:First off, second off, third off, you think you know a lot of popular "science fiction," and what you are told by a group of people who do not believe in God, the Bible, and want to believe that we just popped into existence all on our own after some cosmic super expansion explosion. There is NO know way of knowing how many species of dinosaurs there were because we only have fossils. Animals have a way of changing as they get older ---- as do humans to a lesser degree... We do not know how they actually lived nor how old they lived to be. Baby dinosaurs were much smaller and YOU cannot actually tell me how long they needed to be weaned or if in fact they were weaned. ALL you've got is imagination and some bones. And those bones are the result of mass water/mud burial. That we do know! And lets face one fact. Where there is rain, there is water and plenty of it...........................! Animals forced into hibernation require very little maintenance, and God could very easily have done just whatever HE wished. And yes, I do believe some dinosaurs may have had feathers. Ostriches and Emues are rather large but not baby ones. So get over it. I believe in an Almighty GOD and you have faith in materialistic know-it-all scientists. I'll take God any day ---- and not a Mormon one!


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Quasimodo wrote:This may be the funniest post I've read on this board, so far.

LittleNipper wrote: First off, second off, third off, you think you know a lot of popular "science fiction," and what you are told by a group of people who do not believe in God, the Bible, and want to believe that we just popped into existence all on our own after some cosmic super expansion explosion. There is NO know way of knowing how many species of dinosaurs there were because we only have fossils.


Science fiction is Star Wars. I'm talking about science facts. I have no idea if these researchers believe in your Bible or not (neither do you). They are just trying to find out the truth of things without any preconceived ideas.

Approximately 700 dinosaur species have been identified from fossil records. The conservative estimation of a thousand species is an extrapolation of that figure. There were probably many more than that.

LittleNipper wrote: Animals have a way of changing as they get older ---- as do humans to a lesser degree... We do not know how they actually lived nor how old they lived to be. Baby dinosaurs were much smaller and YOU cannot actually tell me how long they needed to be weaned or if in fact they were weaned.


Dinosaurs didn't need to be be weaned. Only mammals need that. Dinosaurs were like birds, no mammary glands. There is some evidence that momma dinosaurs fed their young in the same way that birds do, but soon after hatching, they were pretty much on their own.

LittleNipper wrote: ALL you've got is imagination and some bones. And those bones are the result of mass water/mud burial. That we do know! And lets face one fact. Where there is rain, there is water and plenty of it...........................! Animals forced into hibernation require very little maintenance, and God could very easily have done just whatever HE wished. And yes, I do believe some dinosaurs may have had feathers. Ostriches and Emues are rather large but not baby ones. So get over it. I believe in an Almighty GOD and you have faith in materialistic know-it-all scientists. I'll take God any day ---- and not a Mormon one!


No, it's not my imagination. Just the facts. The bones we are talking about are found in layers of STONE (not mud) that are reliably dated to many millions of years ago.

What proofs do you have to counter that?

Fossils are found most often in sedimentary rock. This is the result of hardened pressed mud, very much like concrete. The reliability of age only is the result of accepting specific presumptions as to what the radiation content of the rock began at.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Nipper.

How, in your mind, did 8 people manage all that for a year?


I am sure that Noah & his family were totally awestruck by God. And God protected them and the animals in the ark. There was obviously milk and eggs and grains and perhaps even insects to eat. I certainly beat being outside drowning...


Okay.
Now all you have to explain is how those 8 people were able to tend and keep alive on the ark enough grass to feed the milk producing animals for a full year..... whilst simultaneously feeding all the other animals, including lions, elephants, etc etc etc

when you've done that, please explain what kind of father is capable of drowing women, children and infants......
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Bazooka wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
I am sure that Noah & his family were totally awestruck by God. And God protected them and the animals in the ark. There was obviously milk and eggs and grains and perhaps even insects to eat. I certainly beat being outside drowning...


Okay.
Now all you have to explain is how those 8 people were able to tend and keep alive on the ark enough grass to feed the milk producing animals for a full year..... whilst simultaneously feeding all the other animals, including lions, elephants, etc etc etc

when you've done that, please explain what kind of father is capable of drowing women, children and infants......

The people who drowned were not the children of God but the sons of perdition. If there were any babies, they were snatched from those who would teach them the ways of eternal damnation and they went to heaven. And again, God can make a way. And my feeling is that keeping the Noah family occupied gave them less to think and worry about.
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LittleNipper wrote:The people who drowned were not the children of God but the sons of perdition. If there were any babies, they were snatched from those who would teach them the ways of eternal damnation and they went to heaven. And again, God can make a way. And my feeling is that keeping the Noah family occupied gave them less to think and worry about.


Could God have not come up with a better way of protecting those children and infants from the 'sons of perdition' other than "Hey, I've got it, I'll drown them, that'll save them....". For instance, God being God, would have foreseen that these individuals would turn into sons of perdition and, with the merest blink of His eye, could have made them all to fire blanks for a period of time, hence no infants would need drowning.

As for Noah and his kin, how would they find the time to tend to worry with all the repopulating they needed to get on with?

Your God, despite His power, really doesn't think stuff through does he....
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Bazooka wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:The people who drowned were not the children of God but the sons of perdition. If there were any babies, they were snatched from those who would teach them the ways of eternal damnation and they went to heaven. And again, God can make a way. And my feeling is that keeping the Noah family occupied gave them less to think and worry about.


Could God have not come up with a better way of protecting those children and infants from the 'sons of perdition' other than "Hey, I've got it, I'll drown them, that'll save them....". For instance, God being God, would have foreseen that these individuals would turn into sons of perdition and, with the merest blink of His eye, could have made them all to fire blanks for a period of time, hence no infants would need drowning.

As for Noah and his kin, how would they find the time to tend to worry with all the repopulating they needed to get on with?

Your God, despite His power, really doesn't think stuff through does he....

I believe you haven't thought God through. Babies are drowned everyday. Babies are killed in fires everyday. Babies die in accidents everyday. Babies die of diseases everyday. Babies are murdered everyday. AND we do not know if God didn't prevent child births as time drew closer to the Flood. But, an eternity in heaven with God is worth a thousand years on earth followed by hell.........
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