Apologists Harassing Critics

[_Jesse Pinkman]

A better idea would be to read the actual lines themselves. No one here has called for a banning.

Sheesh.

Agreed. The only thing that any of us have suggested is that MG and Grindael put each other on Ignore.

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to have a step by step process published explaining how to use the Ignore feature. I'll be happy to put something together.

[_Lemmie]

Who is suggesting that MG be banned?

Reading between the lines that seems to be what all the rage quitting is about. "me or him"

A better idea would be to read the actual lines themselves. No one here has called for a banning.

Sheesh.

No one has asked for a ban that I've seen. Many people have asked for a moderator queue solution, which Dr. Shades explained can happen when a poster suffers excessively from TobinSyndrome; EAllusion has indicated, if I am reading him correctly, that as a moderator he is leaning toward recommending a limited-time, probationary mod queue.

[_mentalgymnast]

Agreed. The only thing that any of us have suggested is that MG and Grindael put each other on Ignore.

I've already come up with the solution that works for me. I'll post it again, after already having done so multiple times:

I have created a DMZ for myself which I will not cross. I don't have anyone on ignore, including the poster who made these comments. But I will not in any way, shape, or form have anything to do with or have anything to say to this poster from here on out. Directly or indirectly. That is a commitment which I make for all to see and understand. I do feel bad that this situation escalated to where it has. For me, the best thing to do is create a personal space between myself and this poster. I don't think he will have any concerns in regards to having to engage in further 'warfare'.

That's not where I want to go.

I posted this on Wednesday. The poster in question left afterwards. I don't understand/know why this particular solution wouldn't have been amenable to him.

In addition to the concepts of priming/propaganda/memes, I mentioned previously on this thread, it is interesting to observe the snowball effect. Once the snowball starts down the hill and picks up momentum and size, there seems to be no stopping it.

I'm sorry to see that there are some other posters, who I personally like to read, that are 'joining the club', so to speak, and are deciding to leave. There will be a noticeable loss if that occurs.

I do have to agree with the poster in this thread that mentioned that they put a another poster on ignore. If there was one person that I would put on ignore, if I was to do so at this time, it would be that particular poster who was referred to, and for good reason. A lot of the priming/propaganda and meme production can be traced to this person and and also indirectly those who enable this individual to do so without stepping up and putting a stop to it.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

Hey, MG. You and I have had some interesting talks and I’ve shared some of my worldview with you. Would you care to take a stab at posting what you think I would say in response to your post?

In this case, I don't know. I've posted what I think and where I'm coming from on this thread. You are free to do the same.

I do have to say, however, that my short but sweet conversation(s) with you earlier in the week were enjoyable, at least for me.

Thanks for that.

Not meant to derail...

Regards,
MG

[_Jersey Girl]

A better idea would be to read the actual lines themselves. No one here has called for a banning.

Sheesh.

Thanks for providing another example of a derail and personal attack. You are free to interpret events however you want, as am I. And my interpretation is that some people do want to see MG sent packing. If that's not what you want, a better idea would be to simply express that point of view, maybe with specifics of what action you'd like to see, rather than hissing at me.

There's no derail nor personal attack in my comments.

That said, I've already said what I'd like to see happen on this very thread and the thread that Lemmie linked to in the Paradise Forum.

[_Lemmie]

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There's no derail nor personal attack in my comments.

That said, I've already said what I'd like to see happen on this very thread and the thread that Lemmie linked to in the Paradise Forum.

As have many others, in many threads, including this one. Here's the link again to the other one Jersey Girl is referring to:
"What does a troll really want?" viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47430

[_mentalgymnast]

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There's no derail nor personal attack in my comments.

That said, I've already said what I'd like to see happen on this very thread and the thread that Lemmie linked to in the Paradise Forum.

As have many others, in many threads, including this one. Here's the link again to the other one Jersey Girl is referring to:
"What does a troll really want?" viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47430

I read through that thread. It falls into the category of 'fake news' . Making stuff up.

Regards,
MG

[_Res Ipsa]

Hey, MG. You and I have had some interesting talks and I’ve shared some of my worldview with you. Would you care to take a stab at posting what you think I would say in response to your post?

In this case, I don't know. I've posted what I think and where I'm coming from on this thread. You are free to do the same.

I do have to say, however, that my short but sweet conversation(s) with you earlier in the week were enjoyable, at least for me.

Thanks for that.

Not meant to derail...

Regards,
MG

Fair enough. When I’m sideways with someone or a few someones I find it helpful to try and break out of the story my brain is telling me and imagine what stories other people’s are telling them. Just thought it might be an interesting exercise.

[_Brackite]

It's like Republican senators Flake and Corker resigning from the Senate as a form of protest against Trumpism. Nothing is accomplished for the country, or the Republican party, by such resignations. It just gets worse, because Steve Bannon is now free do what he can to assure that their replacements are as radical, ignorant, and destructive as he is.

Hopefully, Democratic Congresswoman Sinema is going to get elected as Arizona's Senator to take Flakes' place. She is mainly a moderate Democrat. And Sinema is an ex-Mormon.

[_Kishkumen]

I know I said I would stay away, but it is baffling to me that:

1) Having a participant’s posts vetted by mods is equated with banning.

2) Having us say that we’ll stay away until the situation is fixed is equated with an “us or him” ultimatum.

Both of these ideas constitute clear errors of interpretation. An error is not an equally valid point of view. It is simply wrong. Get the facts straight, and if someone else points out your error, own up to it. Don’t cling to some bogus idea of an alternate reality.

There is one reality, and that reality is the one in which we are sick as hell of putting up with endless derails and stalking of grindael by mg, etc.

Oh, and:

3) mg’s offer to police himself is, however well intentioned, silly.

4) If you see your better posters leave because of the habitual actions of one poster, the self-righteous call for everyone to tolerate the source of irritation may make you feel better, but it won’t solve the problem.

The answer is simple. Improve the signal to noise ratio. Grindael posts evidence. Mg, whatever his state of mind or intentions, posts distracting, narcissistic garbage. Now tell me that it is more helpful to populate this board with mg’s obnoxious crap than chunky quotes of primary source material. Then tell me that mods are completely helpless to stop mg littering the board because you would rather split hairs on someone’s freedom to post garbage than keep the board friendly to people who post what the majority of us value. Mg does not deserve the benefit of the doubt on derails and ad hominem attacks. He requires heavier moderation yesterday.

Finally:

5) Water Dog might consider the possibility that I focused on his response on the Columbus thread because I still read what he writes instead of chalking my actions up to political bias or tribal loyalty.