Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Jesse Pinkman]

If that’s the case, considering the general disaffection felt toward both BYU and the Church by folks on this board, I’m surprised they would want to do anything that would help either organizations’ reputation. If someone has done this who was against Church policy, would you be just as apt to jump on this? If the answer is yes, that’s fine. And, frankly, I believe that you, DrW, would probably doggedly pursue this, considering what you just explained about what happened in your company. I just am also aware that there has been an anti-DCP campaign that has existed on this board for years. And I have never felt that a lot of the nonsense was justified. I would just like to see the man left alone.

Jesse,

We worked with our problem executive for some two years. We tried interventions. We tried leaving him alone. We tried restricting his responsibilities and authority. The longer he stayed, the worse it got.

It eventually cost us seven figures, to be paid out over the next year, to finally get rid of him, and I'm here at my computer today instead of taking some time off because I'm still cleaning up the mess he left with our shareholders.

Admittedly, I am not personally affected in the least by what DCP does, and I am no doubt blowing off some steam. However, considering the very recent and very very expensive object lesson as to what unprofessional behavior can cost an organization, I took the opportunity to comment on DCP's behavior on a board that is at least acknowledged by the organization for which he is performing his service, or disservice, as the case may be.

And I understand where you’re coming from. I really do. If I had been through what you had, I would likely feel the same way.

[_DrW]

And I understand where you’re coming from. I really do. If I had been through what you had, I would likely feel the same way.

Thank you for that - seriously.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc, I do NOT deny that Dan has committed cases of unintentional plagiarism.

Ok. Can you take one or two examples of his plagiarism from this thread and please demonstrate how they can be created unintentionally by a professional author, university academic, and scholar?

Because I'm not seeing how it's possible.

- Doc

I already told you, Doc. I’m done. If you and others want me to quit contributing to this thread then quit asking me questions. You said yourself that you believe I am supposedly trolling to MG proportion. I’m trying to exit the thread but you guys keep pulling me back in. You and Lemmie won, OK? Is that what you want to hear?

JP,

You can't displace responsibility onto others for your posting behavior. You need to own that crap. That's on you.

Ok. So whether or not we summarize JP or quote her verbatim we're apparently twisting her words. When asked to explain, using examples from this thread, JP instead complains about something.

Like Pasterson she has now attempted to make herself a martyr on this thread, gotten huffy, refused to demonstrate how her assertions vis a vis 'unintentional plagiarism' can happen, and has made the thread about her instead of the topic.

This is Mopologetics 101.

JP, make your case, don't just state your case.

- Doc

[_cwald]

[_Doctor Steuss]

I remember the first time I accidently hit “Control+C” and then “Control+V,” and then unintentionally reformatted it, and then unintentionally looked at the footnotes of the thing I accidently copy-pasted, and then unintentionally cited those footnotes as the source for the thing I copied (errors and all), and then unintentionally published it on my blog.

Life is funny that way.

[_Jersey Girl]

Agree. This thread needs a split and here's why. The OP (Lemmie) obviously put a lot of effort into the documentation she's presented here. It's been dragged all over hell's half acre in a derail. It continues to derail. I believe that Shades would accommodate a split in order to preserve the documentation and serious nature of the topic at the request of the OP so long as he has in hand, links to the posts that constitute the derail.

I'm not at all invested in a Peterson related thread, however, I do recognize that the topic is important to others and presumably of importance to the OP herself.

I say save the integrity of the topic via a split.

[_Res Ipsa]

JP, it’s clear to me that you believe the plagiarism is unintentional because that’s Peterson said and you consider him to be honest. What Lemmie and others are saying is that, given the frequency and the method, what Peterson is doing cannot be unintentional. I have no history with Peterson, but I find the evidence of intentional conduct pretty convincing. If you want to effective defend Peterson, I think you have to come to grips with the evidence and not just repeat “but he said...”

I’ve come to grips. I’ve said what I have to say. At this point, I’m just responding to people (not you) who have accused me of trolling and seem to get their jollies from twisting what I say and doing their best to prove me wrong.

for what it's worth, I don’t think you are trolling. You seem to me to be reacting like humans do when experiencing cognitive dissonance. It’s never fun.

[_cwald]

Yeah. It's just a damn train wreck Jersey. I don't think it can be saved at this point.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Agree. This thread needs a split and here's why. The OP (Lemmie) obviously put a lot of effort into the documentation she's presented here. It's been dragged all over hell's half acre in a derail. It continues to derail. I believe that Shades would accommodate a split in order to preserve the documentation and serious nature of the topic at the request of the OP so long as he has in hand, links to the posts that constitute the derail.

I'm not at all invested in a Peterson related thread, however, I do recognize that the topic is important to others and presumably of importance to the OP herself.

I say save the integrity of the topic via a split.

Fine with me. I’ll even contact Shades myself.

[_I have a question]

I would just like to see the man left alone.

Have you defended Runnells in the same manner and asked DCP to leave him alone?