How do we all feel about Military Parades?

[_EAllusion]

So you do see a distinction then? What's the distinction?

The conceit of your posts here is that Trump is requesting another memorial day style parade because what's wrong with another in addition to all the ones we already do? The problem with this conceit is that this is not at all what was being talked about. But until you can admit that not all parades reduce into, "what's wrong with the town getting together and honoring the troops some more?!" it's hard to carry on a conversation.

"what's wrong with the town getting together and honoring the troops some more?!"

It would be a national parade, I never said "some more." It would be no different than other large parades like we did in 91, and I believe the people that would go would have a great time and it would be awesome not only for our military, but ther families.

There is nothing that will happen under this president that you will support, that is just the way it is.

Town is metaphorical. Obviously I don't think the nation is a literal town. I am pointing out you are acting like the proposed parade is akin to local parades where military folks are honored even though we have ample reason to think that is not what is being dicussed. What is being discussed is a display of nationalistic pomp and might.

Now you've compared it to a victory parade in "91. Which war did the US win that Trump is proposing a parade for?

[_Maksutov]

You're right, Markk. You know far more about military training and readiness than I do. Let's have a parade!

- Doc

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics ... index.html

I'll meet you half way, if it turns into a goose stepping type of parade, and not for the folks, I am with you. But Billions?

It's for the glory of Trump. Face it. He came up with the idea in order to compete with some French dude. And you have to embroider on that narcissism and try to turn it into patriotism. This guy didn't give half a pinch of pupsheet about the military, our government or the Constitution until he thought he could roll into town and start destroying stuff. You're a better man than he is, Markk, stop excusing his crap.

[_honorentheos]

Good Jesus. It's just a sport for you, isn't it? Your high school vs the cross town rival.

The president said words that have meaning. It's not some weird tarot reading needed to say, "Hey this ____ isn't talking about honoring the troops. He wants a parade like they had in France only bigger and better." It's what it is, Markk.

It just shows the hypocrisy here. There is a lot to bash Trump on...this is not one of them.

This will initially sound like a non sequitur but bear with it.

Back when the Affordable Care Act was passed and the media was rebranding it Obamacare, I ended up being very disappointed in President Obama over his response. I personally thought the ACA rebranding was an attempt to focus the attention away from the benefits it provided to the average American who might benefit from health care reform and instead cast it as part of the Obama-as-socialist-dictator boogeyman propaganda war. But rather than reaffirm the law's name reflected directly on what it was intended to do, Obama basically said he was happy to own the Obamacare rebranding as part of his personal legacy. It seemed like a missed opportunity to reframe the public discussion and instead his ego and "winning" turned out to be more important than helping people better understand what was really going on with a complicated and incomplete but well-meaning piece of controversial legislation. I sent a few disappointed emails which I'm sure never went past some pimply millennial intern's "nope" box.

It reaffirmed to me that anyone with enough ego to seek and become the President is going to have negative ego-based personality traits that interfere with their doing their job. Maybe the future will prove there are exceptions but I'm skeptical. Also, it's bad for the country when we turn politics into high school sports rather than seeing it as a fragile balancing act between vying self-interested parties with no real incentive to do what is right for the citizens unless we make sure they know they are accountable to us rather than our being vehicles to carry them around on our shoulders.

I say that because I don't get why you feel obligated to reinterpret Trump's words. You want a parade that honors vets? Demand it. It isn't what Trump said he wanted, and if you act like it is then he'll get his dick-waving event all to his own honor while Huckabee tells us that having big military machines roll down Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the President was a great way to honor the troops.

[_Markk]

Town is metaphorical. Obviously I don't think the nation is a literal town. I am pointing out you are acting like the proposed parade is akin to local parades where military folks are honored even though we have ample reason to think that is not what is being dicussed. What is being discussed is a display of nationalistic pomp and might.

Now you've compared it to a victory parade in "91. Which war did the US win that Trump is proposing a parade for?

Then wait and see what it will be before you pop a grape...like I wrote earlier, there is nothing Trump can say or do that you will not bust his balls for.

Do you have to win a war to honor are Troops? Our Troops can win any war at anytime if the politicians let them...but I would expect nothing less of a comment like that from you. Go to Walter Reed and tell those guys they should not be honored. Personally i would hope it would include WW2 vet through today...but maybe that's just me.

For you it is only about Trump.

[_Markk]

It's for the glory of Trump. Face it. He came up with the idea in order to compete with some French dude. And you have to embroider on that narcissism and try to turn it into patriotism. This guy didn't give half a pinch of pupsheet about the military, our government or the Constitution until he thought he could roll into town and start destroying stuff. You're a better man than he is, Markk, stop excusing his crap.

For me it is about our military. We just see things differently I suppose. I hope that if Obama was putting on a parade I would not boohoo it just becasue of his politics. I praised Obama for Bin Ladin, the Pirate take down, and drone war...not because of who he is, but becasue of what it represented.

One thing I am learning from Trump being in office is that what a mess we as a nation are in...and I honestly believe, right or wrong, that there will be good things to come because he is President...even if he fails, in that someway or somehow we can maybe come together and drain the swamp so to speak which is full of blue and red water. What has the house and senate's approval rating been for the past 10 years...15-20%...I am just guessing.

I hope someone rises up that can put us back to a place where we (our nation as a whole) can some what respect the office, which I haven't seen since Bush the elder.

[_Maksutov]

It's for the glory of Trump. Face it. He came up with the idea in order to compete with some French dude. And you have to embroider on that narcissism and try to turn it into patriotism. This guy didn't give half a pinch of pupsheet about the military, our government or the Constitution until he thought he could roll into town and start destroying stuff. You're a better man than he is, Markk, stop excusing his crap.

For me it is about our military. We just see things differently I suppose. I hope that if Obama was putting on a parade I would not boohoo it just becasue of his politics. I praised Obama for Bin Ladin, the Pirate take down, and drone war...not because of who he is, but becasue of what it represented.

One thing I am learning from Trump being in office is that what a mess we as a nation are in...and I honestly believe, right or wrong, that there will be good things to come because he is President...even if he fails, in that someway or somehow we can maybe come together and drain the swamp so to speak which is full of blue and red water. What has the house and senate's approval rating been for the past 10 years...15-20%...I am just guessing.

I hope someone rises up that can put us back to a place where we (our nation as a whole) can some what respect the office, which I haven't seen since Bush the elder.

If you really care about our military, follow news about it. Study it, think about it, in its real and present form. Right now the US Navy is going through agonies because of decades of bribery, corruption and compromised national security. Dozens of admirals under investigation. Support the clean up and restoration of honor to this service. That's of equal importance to any parade.

[_Jersey Girl]

If you really care about our military, follow news about it. Study it, think about it, in its real and present form. Right now the US Navy is going through agonies because of decades of bribery, corruption and compromised national security. Dozens of admirals under investigation. Support the clean up and restoration of honor to this service. That's of equal importance to any parade.

Visit your nearest VA hospital and clinics. See how you might be of service to those who gave service. Sometimes a cup of coffee and a little conversation go a long way.

[_Markk]

This will initially sound like a non sequitur but bear with it.

Back when the Affordable Care Act was passed and the media was rebranding it Obamacare, I ended up being very disappointed in President Obama over his response. I personally thought the ACA rebranding was an attempt to focus the attention away from the benefits it provided to the average American who might benefit from health care reform and instead cast it as part of the Obama-as-socialist-dictator boogeyman propaganda war. But rather than reaffirm the law's name reflected directly on what it was intended to do, Obama basically said he was happy to own the Obamacare rebranding as part of his personal legacy. It seemed like a missed opportunity to reframe the public discussion and instead his ego and "winning" turned out to be more important than helping people better understand what was really going on with a complicated and incomplete but well-meaning piece of controversial legislation. I sent a few disappointed emails which I'm sure never went past some pimply millennial intern's "nope" box.

It reaffirmed to me that anyone with enough ego to seek and become the President is going to have negative ego-based personality traits that interfere with their doing their job. Maybe the future will prove there are exceptions but I'm skeptical. Also, it's bad for the country when we turn politics into high school sports rather than seeing it as a fragile balancing act between vying self-interested parties with no real incentive to do what is right for the citizens unless we make sure they know they are accountable to us rather than our being vehicles to carry them around on our shoulders.

I say that because I don't get why you feel obligated to reinterpret Trump's words. You want a parade that honors vets? Demand it. It isn't what Trump said he wanted, and if you act like it is then he'll get his dick-waving event all to his own honor while Huckabee tells us that having big military machines roll down Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the President was a great way to honor the troops.

It's about the Troops, not the president. In Band of Brothers towards the end when Germany was surrendering, Captain Sobel walked past newly promoted Major Winters, and did not salute Winters. They did not like each other and Sobel abused Winters when he was just a Lieutenant. Winters called out Sobel for not saluting, and said "Captain Sobel we salute the Uniform."

My point is this is about our Troops...and I really believe this is long deserved.

If you think Trump, Clinton, Shummer, Cruz, Pilosi... or any one of these hacks are noble and true, or care about you...you are naïve. This again is about those that have(past, present, and future) sacrificed for us to be wanna be know it all's on forums like this. I really believe that, and for me, that is what this parade would be.

If you wanna bash Trump, bash him for having a big mouth...and I will most likely agree with you.

[Guest]

You keep saying it's for the troops. Guaran-effing-tee you most troops don't want to do it. It's a huge pain in the ass and they hate it.

But you know. It's for the troops.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Are you aware that there are two major national holidays that primarily focus on military service with parades and everything Markk? And that there are lesser celebrations happening all the time? Has someone ever informed you about this?

Granted, those parades don't involve marching tanks and missiles down the capital, but based on your posts you seem to think what America is missing is some recognition of the troops (tm) in parade form.