?????C - Word?????: Gender equivalent to ?????N- Word?????

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Re: “C - Word”: Gender equivalent to “N- Word”

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Hawkeye wrote:Bee. An obscure female comedian who called another female a feckless cunt for ignoring her father's role in tearing apart families and sending their children to traffickers.

This is what you never hear from the whiny, hair-on-fire right. What a bunch of ____.
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The more I hear and read about people's reaction to this, the more I'm disappointed that Bee apologized for it.

To anyone who thinks Bee should be fired for this, or is offended, Screw you. You completely missed the point, and until you at least match your moral outrage by criticizing our government for ripping apart foreign families, you complaints are hollow, hypocritical, and flagrantly idiotic. Your head is firmly planted up your ass.
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Some Schmo wrote:The more I hear and read about people's reaction to this, the more I'm disappointed that Bee apologized for it.

To anyone who thinks Bee should be fired for this, or is offended, ____ you. You completely missed the point, and until you at least match your moral outrage by criticizing our government for ripping apart foreign families, you complaints are hollow, hypocritical, and flagrantly idiotic. Your head is firmly planted up your ass.


That's my take as well.

What did Rosie's target do to deserve those racist comments? She was black. That was her crime.

What did Ivanka do? She was acting like a feckless ____.

Bee was highlighting the plight of illegal immigrant children torn from their families and sometimes held in deplorable conditions, a situation she said was getting “so much worse” under the Trump administration's crackdown, though she noted that it predated him.

She was also responding to recent reports that the federal government had lost 1,500 undocumented children in its care. “After decades of ignoring the issue, Americans are finally paying attention,” Bee said. “Well, most of us. Ivanka Trump, who works at the White House, chose to post the second most oblivious tweet we've seen this week.”

That tweet was a picture posted to Twitter by Ivanka of her and and her 2-year-old son Theodore. Amid reports of the maltreatment of immigrant children, critics accused her of insensitivity.

“You know, Ivanka, that's a beautiful photo of you and your child, but let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dad's immigration practices, you feckless c***?” Bee said. “He listens to you. Put on something tight and low-cut and tell your father to f****** stop it. Tell him it was an Obama thing and see how it goes, OK?”


Notice the immediate roar/applause/laughter because it was an emotional response that triggered an emotional reaction from everyone who actually understood where she was coming from.
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Hawkeye wrote:Notice the immediate roar/applause/laughter because it was an emotional response that triggered an emotional reaction from everyone who actually understood where she was coming from.

Yep, it makes complete sense in context.

I'm annoyed by people saying, "She was making a good point but the point gets lost because of the word she used." If it gets lost, it's because you're easily distracted by a damned word! You're willing to let one word distract you from the important point being made!

It's not Bee's fault people have the perception of a moth and the attention span of a gnat.
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If you are going to use the c word, please just spell it out so that the word censor will catch it. Thanks.
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Hawkeye wrote:
The word was censored because it was bleeped out on TV, and when comedians go on emotional rants like this it isn't scripted like you think.


I looked it up and you're right. From an article, not supplying a link.

The host’s remarks, including the epithet, were scripted, a spokeswoman for TBS said. When the segment was broadcast, the offending word was bleeped out, but it was left uncensored on the clip that was posted online. TBS removed the video from its site on Thursday afternoon.


So apparently the line didn't air so...I don't know where this leaves us? Wonder how/why the uncensored clip was posted to start with and by whom? Who knows...

The difference is Roseanne has a long history of this. She's been a very raunchy and crude personality for decades. She once burned cookies in the oven and called them "Jew cookies" and thought that was cool to say. She grabbed her vagina and spit after screaming the anthem at a ball game, and Republicans still embrace her and don't consider this disrespecting the flag. But a black person kneeling at the request of a white Green Beret? That's anti-American.


Yup. One subtle correction though, you wrote: She grabbed her vagina and spit

She was mimicking the behavior/mannerisms of some male baseball players. I don't plan to go into details.

There is probably nothing more offensive or socially unacceptable than calling a black person an "ape" in this day and age and Roseanne knows this, but does it anyway. Women calling other women "cunts" isn't at all uncommon. If Bee were a man it would be a sexist slur, but she isn't and so the effect is minimized quite a bit. It is like when black people call other black people the N word, which is like all the friggin time.


Yeah, mostly I agree.
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I admit that I have a hard time feeling outrage over either incident. Both are comedians doing their thing. Personally, I tend to error heavily in favor of protecting speech even when it turns vile. Of the two incidents, I have a harder time with Roseanne's comment because it's neither funny nor informative as well as ugly. I can more easily contextualize Samantha Bee's comment even if it is understandable that it is offensive to women. But I don't think either is exactly worth the print space they've received nor how much of the oxygen they've sucked up in the room of public debate. We're heading into a trade war with some of our strongest historic allies, Trump's playing footsies with North Korea, who the “F” knows what China's doing, Italy is sparking a brand new Eurozone crisis and we're watching historic flooding events and wildfire conditions just at the front end of a potentially historic natural disaster season. But Roseanne is a racist and Bee miscalculated how much feminist cred she had and said an offensive word on TV.
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MeDotOrg wrote:...She had some great parodies of the hysteria of the times.

This irony is not missed.
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Hawkeye wrote:Remember the time Ted Nugent, a man, called Hillary Clinton the C-word?

Yeah, he got invited to the same white house that is calling for Bee's firing. How's that for double standard.

Bee. An obscure female comedian who called another female a feckless cunt for ignoring her father's role in tearing apart families and sending their children to traffickers.

Guys call other guys d---s all the time. Is that also on par with the N word?

I actually was thinking about the difference between c word and the dick. See? I can say the word dick. See dick run! Run dick, run!

Where the word dick certainly refers to male genitalia, it also is a very common term for an asshole, which shows you that many pejoratives originate below the waist. It is increasingly common for the c word and the d word to be used for either sex. (As has been pointed out, the c word is in much more common usage in Britain.) I suppose you could make the argument that being more offended buy the c word than the d word is in itself a form of sexism.

As far as the d word and the n word, gotta disagree. A dick can still hold power, the n word implies powerlessness.
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Bach, would you do me a solid and link to your demand that Rosanne be fired for calling Hillary the c word? http://web.archive.org/web/201610140011 ... 5710135297
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