While Driving, The Car Radio.....

[_Ceeboo]

There is no surer way to foster and reinforce your ignorance and bigotry than listening to Rush Limbaugh.

Absolutely. I read his post and thought, "Of course he listens to Limbaugh."
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So at the end of a post about what his radio is tuned to - a guy says he listens to Limbaugh - a conservative talk radio show on Saturdays and y'all are convinced that this fosters and reinforces his intolerance and bigotry? ..........His intolerance and bigotry? Did I read that right?

Something tells me that bigotry and intolerance can be found (and most certainly is found) on both sides of the political divide. To see that though, as crystal clear as it is, one must not have the kind of impaired vision that is apparently inflicting more and more people with each passing day.

[_Some Schmo]

So at the end of a post about what his radio is tuned to - a guy says he listens to Limbaugh - a conservative talk radio show on Saturdays and y'all are convinced that this fosters and reinforces his intolerance and bigotry? ..........His intolerance and bigotry? Did I read that right?

No, you didn't.

[_canpakes]

There is no surer way to foster and reinforce your ignorance and bigotry than listening to Rush Limbaugh.

Absolutely. I read his post and thought, "Of course he listens to Limbaugh.".

So at the end of a post about what his radio is tuned to - a guy says he listens to Limbaugh - a conservative talk radio show on Saturdays and y'all are convinced that this fosters and reinforces his intolerance and bigotry? ..........His intolerance and bigotry? Did I read that right?

Ceeboo -

I think what is going on here is that Schmo is not arguing that listening to Rush will necessarily make someone intolerant and/or bigoted, but that someone defined as such might prefer listening to Rush given a certain range of choices.

As ajax was the subject of the comment, you may remember that he has openly posted on Stormfront and isn't interested in rationalizing that activity for folks that he'd consider to be 'liberals'. My saying that is not a judgment on ajax either way; rather it's just a reminder of his political leanings.

So, Schmo's comment suggests a question for you: Given the choice of listening to either NPR or Rush Limbaugh, which of those two do you believe would be the favored choice for folks who have a strong posting history on Stormfront?

Something tells me that bigotry and intolerance can be found (and most certainly is found) on both sides of the political divide. To see that though, as crystal clear as it is, one must not have the kind of impaired vision that is apparently inflicting more and more people with each passing day.

OK, so now this suggests another question.

You've mentioned the so-called unbridgeable divide with regard to political discussion quite a few times in the last several weeks. You've stated that you don't think that it can be overcome. You've reached that point because you must have classified those folks that seem very counter to your own political sensibilities as unreachable, and you don't feel like trying to find a way around that. Is that a correct assessment of your position?

But you are now arguing that characterizing a person that has openly espoused viewpoints that are typically judged (for right or wrong - the determination for you is yours alone to make) as bigoted, is just as erroneous as the attitudes expressed by the one claimed to be the bigot. In other words, seeking to identify bigotry is, in itself, bigotry.

So, if no one is allowed to discuss or dismantle views that fall outside the mainstream in this manner, just how could any divide be bridged, and just who is responsible for keeping that wall in place?

Isn't what you are doing here just another version of what Prager - in that opinion piece by him that you posted a while back - was identifying as problematic?

[_Gunnar]

But you are now arguing that characterizing a person that has openly espoused viewpoints that are typically judged (for right or wrong - the determination for you is yours alone to make) as bigoted, is just as erroneous as the attitudes expressed by the one claimed to be the bigot. In other words, seeking to identify bigotry is, in itself, bigotry.

Yes. It is as if some bigots attempt to define anti-bigotry as just yet another type of bigotry, no better than any other kind of bigotry. Either that, or they utterly fail to identify their own bigotry for what it is. This is what makes bigotry so pernicious and intractable. I head an acquaintance of mine once say, "there are only two types of people I hate: bigots and n....Relief Society!"

[_MeDotOrg]

One thing that is nice to do when driving long distances is to listen to an audio book. At night, listening in the solitary confinement of the car, I think it's the closest thing we experience to listening to a radio drama nowadays.

Speaking of which, there used to be some clear-channel stations that broadcast radio dramas at night. Now they have free classic radio dramas on the internet, so you could just hook up with android or apple.

[_Some Schmo]

So, if no one is allowed to discuss or dismantle views that fall outside the mainstream in this manner, just how could any divide be bridged, and just who is responsible for keeping that wall in place?

That was a well articulated post.

The other thing that was annoying about Ceeboo's post is the implied false equivalency between bigotry on the left and the right. Sure there's bigotry on both sides, but it's not equal in flavor or intensity. It's not even close. I find it ironic Ceeboo keeps talking about seeing things clearly when he appears utterly blind to what's going on in his own backyard. He talks about this unbridgeable divide he seems bewildered by, and just keeps right on reinforcing it, like a guy banging his head against the wall and wondering where the headache came from. It's part of why I find myself having very little patience with the stuff he's been posting lately.

[_subgenius]

.... and just who is responsible for keeping that wall in place?...

For your edification.

[Guest]

Well, so much for having a light-hearted thread. Oh well.

Ceeboo -

I think what is going on here is that Schmo is not arguing that listening to Rush will necessarily make someone intolerant and/or bigoted, but that someone defined as such might prefer listening to Rush given a certain range of choices.

You have a special gift of swooping in to defend anyone who possesses views on the political left - And only those on the political left. Makes me believe that the motivating factor for your defense is, in very large part, because you share those political views. What other reason could possibly explain your selected swooping?

Or, I guess it could be possible that you have never seen a post here - ever (written by someone who is politically left leaning) that you thought was bigoted or intolerant. Perhaps this is the reason that I haven't seen you swoop in a balanced position?

Here is the quote:
There is no surer way to foster and reinforce your ignorance and bigotry than listening to Rush Limbaugh.

It's crystal clear that the obvious suggestion here is that Limbaugh is intolerant and bigoted - So listening to him will reinforce and foster the listeners intolerance and bigotry. There is simply no other way for reasonable people to come to an alternate conclusion.

You've mentioned the so-called unbridgeable divide with regard to political discussion quite a few times in the last several weeks. You've stated that you don't think that it can be overcome. You've reached that point because you must have classified those folks that seem very counter to your own political sensibilities as unreachable, and you don't feel like trying to find a way around that. Is that a correct assessment of your position?

Not really.

I have given my personal opinion that the political divide in this country has reached a point that it is unbridgeable. This view is based on a number of factors (None of which involve mere dissent of political opinions and/or the various political sensibilities that can be found among the collective citizens of this country.) Rather, this unbridgeable divide has been created (for the most part) directly because of the wide spread and complete intolerance of political dissent that can be easily seen on a daily basis all over this country.

But you are now arguing that characterizing a person that has openly espoused viewpoints that are typically judged (for right or wrong - the determination for you is yours alone to make) as bigoted, is just as erroneous as the attitudes expressed by the one claimed to be the bigot. In other words, seeking to identify bigotry is, in itself, bigotry.

Nonsense!

I was arguing that assigning bigotry and intolerance to someone who listens to Rush on a Saturday - because they listen to Rush on Saturday - is itself bigoted and intolerant............Because it is.

Isn't what you are doing here just another version of what Prager - in that opinion piece by him that you posted a while back - was identifying as problematic?

So far, this thread about what people listen to on their car radios has pointed out Limbaugh, Prager and Hannity in a negative light. (Again, I can't imagine why?)

Let me ask you a question:

Do you think that anyone who reads or listens to politically left views - like the New York Times - is fostering their bigotry and intolerance?
For the record, I don't think that every person that reads this paper (Left leaning to be certain - and one of the most read papers in this country) - is fostering and reinforcing their personal bigotry and intolerance because they read the paper. I would assume that most people read it because they like the paper.

For clarity, let me ask you a few questions:

Her are a few quotes by NY Times writer Sarah Jeong:

"Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."

"white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants".

"Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins,"

(I couldn't post some of her other disgusting, hate filled, racist, bigoted and intolerant comments as they would be against the board's rules)

what do you think about these? Do you think they are bigoted and intolerant?
And what is your opinion about the Ne York times' decision to stand by Sarah?

Hoe about this one?

What do you think about the elected and sitting democratic congresswoman from California. Maxine Waters, who issued a clarion call to her fellow democrats - which among other things - encouraged and incited mob violence against dissenting political views.

Here is one of Maxine's recent quotes: "God is on our side! On the side of the children. … Let's make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

Can you find any bigotry or intolerance in that?

Does listening to Waters foster and reinforce the bigotry and intolerance of those who listen to her or support her or enjoy hearing her opinions?

(In an effort to be fair, I should add that Senate Minority Leader, Chuck Schumer a democrat in NY has publicly denounced Water's comments)

How about the ever growing Antifa population - What's your personal opinion about these violent American militant groups that are popping up all over this country? Do you think they exhibit any bigotry and intolerance? Do you support them?

Edited to fix spelling errors.

[_Ceeboo]

The other thing that was annoying about Ceeboo's post is the implied false equivalency between bigotry on the left and the right.

Correct, most of the bigotry and intolerance we see today is coming from the left - do doubt about it.

He talks about this unbridgeable divide he seems bewildered by

I'm not bewildered by it at all. I completely understand why it exists. I am convinced that you don't though.

It's part of why I find myself having very little patience with the stuff he's been posting lately.

Join the club, I have lost my patience, long ago, with the intolerant and bigoted stuff you have been posting all over this board.

[_Some Schmo]

*clueless nonsense*

Sure, Ceeboo. Whatever you say.