John McCain has passed away.

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EAllusion wrote:Not a single person who posts here wants "open borders." Not everyone who opposes your highly restrictive immigration views or obscenely draconian, and in some cases outright evil, enforcement strategies wants "open borders."


Schmo wants the borders between countries to be no different that the borders between states. How is that not open borders?

You're either allowed to enforce the border or not. If your idea of border enforcement is when push comes to shove, we have to back down lest anyone get hurt, that's not enforcing the border and in such a case you might as well have open borders because you really have lost your sovereingty at that point.
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ajax18 wrote:You're either allowed to enforce the border or not.


I favor making petty theft illegal, but I do not favor allowing people to be executed in the streets by law enforcement for petty theft. This does not mean I favor legalizing theft. It means I have a sense of what is proportional to the offense. Equating not favoring your enforcement regime, which is truly monstrous, with wanting "open borders" is fallacious in exactly the same way. To the extent you get the error in your reasoning, and I think you do at least somewhat, it's just flat out dishonest.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Just my opinion on Trump and I'm not in a position to make a diagnosis but...I wanted him to do well just like I want any President to do well. I believed for a while that he might. After two years of this now, I've come to believe that he's a malignant narcissist and the only thing he knows how to do is sow discord in an effort to draw attention to himself.

You're welcome.
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You were optimistic, because you thought that he was an adult.

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EAllusion wrote:To the extent you get the error in your reasoning, and I think you do at least somewhat, it's just flat out dishonest.

The one thing ajax and Drumpf have in common is a belligerence against what they know is reality. They talk to feel real; I can't think of any other purpose for it.

But in the end, neither of them should be taken seriously by rational people. They exist in a world of BS.
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I favor making petty theft illegal, but I do not favor allowing people to be executed in the streets by law enforcement for petty theft.


But you don't favor letting people ultimately keep the stuff they stole, right? Or do you?
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Here are The View cohosts discussing post funeral. Near the end is a montage of clips, many of which I would have chosen to post here myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVrhnSlyY44

"It was like her Dad had passed the torch to her" ~ Abby Huntsman

Yeah exactly.

ETA: Video is 8 minutes and change.
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ajax18 wrote:
Schmo wants the borders between countries to be no different that the borders between states. How is that not open borders?


Dude you really have to stop reading too much InfoWars.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
ajax18 wrote:
Schmo wants the borders between countries to be no different that the borders between states. How is that not open borders?


Dude you really have to stop reading too much InfoWars.


Ajax gets his "news" from reading Breitbart.com and by listening to Rush and Hannity.

Ajax didn't address the Post where I stated that Trump while campaigning promised that he would not cut SS, Medicaid and Medicare. If McCain voted to repeal Obamacare, Medicaid would have been cut. About 400,000 individuals in Arizona (McCain's state) here would have lost their health care coverage if that happened.
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The US shouldn't celebrate a senator that voted for the Iraq invasion. As of right now McCain is still worse than Donald Trump. McCain knew that Iraq was not a threat to the US.


I don't believe that one bad vote by McCain makes him worse than Trump. Joe Biden also voted for it back then, and Obama ended up choosing Biden as the Vice President for eight years. Link
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