Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

[_Doctor Scratch]

It seems that this thread could use an update. For starters, up above, I recommended that Dr. LOD bring himself up to speed on SHIELDS and the "L-Skinny" list. Just look at Louis Midgley's silly ramblings:

Some of those on the Shades board have recently noticed that I mentioned Skinny, which is a very low volume, private group that has been around for over 25 years. When that group who rant on the Shades board knows exactly nothing about something, they are very confident that they have it all figured out.

They even confused Kerry Shirts once being involved with FairMormon with his being one of the dozen members of Skinny. Yesterday someone on the Shades board even boasted that Skinny leaks are fun to read.

There have never been any leaks, since there has never been anything to leak.

I guess Dr. Midgley forgot that dozens of email exchanges--all of which list their point of origin as the L-Skinny email list--are posted on SHIELDS? So, pretty much anyone with an Internet connection and a willingness to look, can have quite a clear sense of what happens on that email list.

All of this bit of mock wisdom without being able to guess the names of more than three people on Skinny, and not knowing if more than a very few were employed at BYU. And also not having even a slight idea of what was ever once posted on Skinny.

Midgley. Novak. Barker. Hamblin. Peterson. Shall I go on? I've already named "more than three people"..... Pretty weak, Dr. Midgley. You're going soft on us.

Elsewhere, Midgley makes commentary about his contact with Colvin's husband:

The one I assumed was the Stake President, since he was conducting the meeting in which two Wards were transformed into three Wards, came up to me and pointed to Dr. Nathan McCluskey, who happens to be Gina Colvin's husband, and he indicated that he wanted to meet me. In that mass of people I lost sight of him, but he spotted me and we instantly became friends. We had an interesting conversation and I came away with his card and a request that we stay in touch. End of story.

All of this has been garbled on Dr. Shades disgusting board.

Remember, this was Midgley's initial comment to Colvin, posted in full on the first post of this thread:

Gina:
I know of only one Community of Christ congregation in New Zealand. It is located at 311 Glengary Road, Glen Eden, Auckland. A search does not turn up Community of Christ congregation in Christchurch. Would you please explain where this Community of Christ group meets in Christchurch and also how many there are in this group? I will, God willing, be in New Zealand in February, and might drop in to see your new venture, but I will need an address and so forth.

Creepy, no? And sure enough, he turned up in New Zealand, and claims that he "accidentally" bumped into Colvin's husband:

Self-Exiled: I did not "seek out Gina Colvin's husband." The Stake President approached me and pointed out her husband to me and told me that he wanted to meet me. Put bluntly so even an unusually dull ten year old should understand, Gina's husband wanted to meet me. And his Stake President was aware of this fact, as he was aware that our group would be there for a Sacrament meeting, which had actually included two Wards that had just been divided as we arrived.

I would like to see you point out anything remotely like a "personal attack" in anything I have published. Have a look at the essays I have published in Interpreter on the Maori Latter-day Saint historical narrative and try to identify anything like a so-called "personal attack."

In addition, I see everyone as potentially sanctified by the Holy Spirit and hence as, hopefully, eventually a Saint.

So, Midgley has gone from announcing to everyone that he plans to "visit" Colvin, including requesting the address of her congregation, and then, instead, showing up at her husband's ward (and bear in mind that her husband also divides his time as "a youth leader during the week" at the Anglican church: the husband is okay with their kids getting exposure to CoC, LDS, and Anglican experiences), to claiming that this was all some kind of "accident," or, wait: no--not an accident! Instead, it was Colvin's husband who wanted to meet *him*! Yeah: that's real believable. The story has holes all over it. First, why would the Stake President have known who Midgley was? Just because Midgley is "famous" or "important" for some reason? (Is he?) Second, why would Colvin's husband have told the Stake President that he wanted to "meet" Midgley? Was Midgley a "guest of honor" at this particular stake meeting? Third, why would Colvin's husband claim this:

I am also pleased to report that Nathan told me that both he and his wife have read everything that I have written about the Maori Latter-day Saint historical narrative. And he agrees with me, while she detests--he used the word hates--what I have written. If for no other reason, knowing this was well worth the expense and effort involved in my recent, and most likely, last visit to Aotearoa/New Zealand.

It was worth going clear to New Zealand just to hear that Gina Colvin "hates...what I have written"? Okay. Well, I guess that sums up everything that Midgley is all about. Unsurprising, but it says a lot about the nature of Mopologetics.

[_Dr. Shades]

Good points, Doctor Scratch.

Now that we have Lou's self-serving version, I truly hope that Dr. Nathan McCluskey will appear somewhere and provide us with the true version of the encounter.

[_moksha]

Drs. Midgley, Peterson, and Pahoran are all adamant that it was both a coincidence that Dr. Midgley showed up at Gina's ward and/or he was summoned by Gina's husband who possibly had uttered the name Beetlejuice three times.

Also that the Tanner Bookstore Roadtrip was an invention by this board, and/or Dr. Midgley was summoned by Jerald Tanner who possibly had uttered the name Beetlejuice three times.

I hope somebody can get to the bottom of this series of unusual statements.

[_Lemmie]

I am also pleased to report that Nathan told me that both he and his wife have read everything that I have written about the Maori Latter-day Saint historical narrative

This little bit of self-serving narcissism is so over the top that you can only laugh. According to Colvin, her husband did not even know who Midgley was.

From the report of Colvin’s Facebook response:

Her husband responded that he "had no idea." He saw Midgley's name badge, thought the name was "really familiar," and thought Midgley was one of his wife's "mates." "Guess not," he added (with a sheepish smile emoji).

She later noted that her husband "clearly missed the name" when she read "the rude troll things" that Midgley has said.

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Would someone who had read every single thing Midgley had ever written on a topic not recognize his name? Midgley is delusional.

[_I have a question]

I'm guessing Mr Midgley isn't at the taller end of the male spectrum...

[_Gadianton]

I've mostly been skimming this one and have questions that might seem a little naïve but if so, someone can point out what I'm missing.

The SeN comments indicate that Mr. M was on a cruise and the apologists have been arguing that those devoted to faith still attend church while on vacation, and so Midgley going to church seems to be perfectly natural. I can imagine there aren't the same number of branches in New Zealand as in Utah County, but you're telling me the most accessible branch for Sunday worship from his cruise ship just happen to be Gina's husband's service? And wasn't he planning on going to Gina's Anglican church, meaning he would forego his usual services? Is that usual for people of faith? On my mission a mission guideline was not to attend non-lds services, especially for the sake of Bible bashing. If his plan was to double up, that's quite a bit for one day on a cruise ship excursion. And what about Kiwi57? Kiwi had invited Midgley personally to visit him on SeN. Why wouldn't he go to Kiwi's ward and they could rejoice together as brothers in positive faith expression? And the Stake President relaying an invitation from Gina's husband, how did that fit in? Out of the blue the SP uses his connections to get Midgley's personal number and invite him: "Brother Midgley, a man in one of my wards has heard a bunch of gossip about you visiting New Zealand, and would love for you to meet him at his home ward."

[_Dr Exiled]

Why was Midgley wearing a name badge? When I was younger, my family went to church sometimes when we were out of town and we never wore name badges. I've never seen badges being worn by anyone who is visiting from out of town, either. Is this a new thing? Or was he trying to get Ms. Colvin's husband to come to him so he could have some deniability? Also, Dr. Midgley obviously researched to find out where Ms. Colvin's husband attended church and specifically went to that ward. In any event, Dr. Peterson maybe needs to look at the true stalker and give him appropriate counsel before legal proceedings ensue.

[_Lemmie]

Why was Midgley wearing a name badge? When I was younger, my family went to church sometimes when we were out of town and we never wore name badges. I've never seen badges being worn by anyone who is visiting from out of town, either. Is this a new thing? Or was he trying to get Ms. Colvin's husband to come to him so he could have some deniability? Also, Dr. Midgley obviously researched to find out where Ms. Colvin's husband attended church and specifically went to that ward. In any event, Dr. Peterson maybe needs to look at the true stalker and give him appropriate counsel before legal proceedings ensue.

As Gadianton and Dr exiled point out, it seems obvious that Midgley planned this stalking event long in advance. His first post on Colvin's blog outlined his original plan:

Louis Midgley • 3 months ago

Gina:

I know of only one Community of Christ congregation in New Zealand. It is located at 311 Glengary Road, Glen Eden, Auckland. A search does not turn up Community of Christ congregation in Christchurch. Would you please explain where this Community of Christ group meets in Christchurch and also how many there are in this group? I will, God willing, be in New Zealand in February, and might drop in to see your new venture, but I will need an address and so forth.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwimormo ... ll-mormon/

So at first, he didn’t plan to go to the LDS Ward, but rather directly stalk Gina herself. After Colvin was warned of Midgley’s stalking technique, Midgley tried to downplay the stalking aspect, but in doing so, gave away his next plan:

Louis Midgley EV • 2 months ago • edited

EV: I will, God willing, be in Christchurch and will attend a Sacrament meeting.

If Gina turn up, fine. I would like to meet her. My point was that, if she is not busy doing her Anglican thing, she only has her former Latter-day Saint Ward in which to worship, since it is likely that she is the only member of the Community of Christ south of Auckland.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwimormo ... ll-mormon/

In Midgley’s mind and according to his research, if Colvin had no Anglican congregation to attend, she would attend her husband’s LDS Ward, and he assumed he could stalk her there.

My guess is he got there, started asking around if Colvin was in attendance, got the answer ‘no, but her husband is, right over there.’ At that moment, to Midgley’s mean-spirited delight, his creepy research paid off and his on-the-ground, in real life stalking began.

[_Gadianton]

Thanks Lemmie,

It turns out that the defenses of Midgley, the cruise guy who needs a place of worship on Sunday and who can fault him, are lies, and his visit was premeditated.

(if any of the apologists are confused about statements that would make a difference in a courtroom, you can flush the 3 witness statements, and study these couple of statements (2 or 3) by Midgley)

[_Lemmie]

Thanks Lemmie,

It turns out that the defenses of Midgley, the cruise guy who needs a place of worship on Sunday and who can fault him, are lies, and his visit was premeditated.

(if any of the apologists are confused about statements that would make a difference in a courtroom, you can flush the 3 witness statements, and study these couple of statements (2 or 3) by Midgley)

Good point, by asking for an address, stating his plans, and then adjusting his plans, what else could he saying?

I think Colvin is pretty aware now, and can protect herself for the most part against Midgley troll types, but speaking of “who can fault” Midgley, I really would like an explanation for this:

Midgley:

For instance, where Maori Saints love the Book of Mormon, Gina detests it.

She started out as a naïve primitive believer. But her work on a PhD thesis in journalism led her to read recent French philosophy, and this colonized her in a radically hostile worldview that has exactly no place for Maori things or the faith of the Saints.

What, exactly, is a “naïve primitive believer”???

Midgley is aware that Colvin is Maori, and was raised in the LDS church. What exactly is it about being Maori and LDS that he thinks makes a believer “naïve,” and worse yet, ”primitive”?

Midgley really needs to explain the choice of those wiords.