African Americans "killed at much higher rates by nonwhite officers"

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African Americans "killed at much higher rates by nonwhite officers"

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"In our data, just under 84 percent of the officers are white, thus white police officers actually kill slightly fewer black and Latino suspects, and slightly more white suspects, than we would expect if the killings were random. Nonwhite officers correspondingly kill slightly more black and Latino suspects, and slightly fewer white suspects, than we would expect if the killings were randomly distributed among officers. Moreover, while African Americans are disproportionately killed by police, they are killed at much higher rates by nonwhite officers than by white officers."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf ... puar.12956

It seems racism is not the biggest problem in police shootings.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:49 am
"In our data, just under 84 percent of the officers are white, thus white police officers actually kill slightly fewer black and Latino suspects, and slightly more white suspects, than we would expect if the killings were random. Nonwhite officers correspondingly kill slightly more black and Latino suspects, and slightly fewer white suspects, than we would expect if the killings were randomly distributed among officers. Moreover, while African Americans are disproportionately killed by police, they are killed at much higher rates by nonwhite officers than by white officers."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf ... puar.12956

It seems racism is not the biggest problem in police shootings.
Your failure to understand structural racism is a problem, though.
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Are some people under the impression that only Caucasians can be racist toward African Americans?

That would be a strange take.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:35 pm
Are some people under the impression that only Caucasians can be racist toward African Americans?
Why wouldn't they be? Do you talk about anything else?
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:35 pm
Are some people under the impression that only Caucasians can be racist toward African Americans?

That would be a strange take.
Yes, they are.

Yes, it is.

How did COVID-19 get so widely established in the U.S.? In the early stages, we failed to look for community spread. Under the CDC's definition of "Person's Under Investigation," they only people eligible to be tested were those who had been in China or in close contact with those who had been. People who displayed symptoms -- even severe cases -- were not being tested. As a result, we failed to find the earliest cases of community spread because we weren't looking for them.

What you find depends on what you look for. Similarly, we will find the crime we are looking for. If we police black neighborhoods more heavily, we will find more crime committed by black folks. Surveys show that illegal marijuana usage by black folks and white folks is close to the same. But black folks are arrested and charges with illegal marijuana possession at disproportionately high rates. Why? Because we are looking for black crime harder than we are looking for white crime. But what conclusion do most folks draw from that information? That discrepancy is fair because black folks commit marijuana crime more than white folks do. How do we know that black folks commit more of that crime? Because they are arrested for and convicted of it.

It's a completely circular argument. Black folks are unfairly punished in contrast to white folks by the structure of how we police. And it has nothing to do with individual officers being bigoted toward other races. The racism is in the structure.

Please note, I am not claiming that this particular mechanism is responsible for all of the racism in the criminal justice system. I just use it as an illustration to show the difference between bigotry by individuals and racism that is based into a system. The latter is more pernicious. We can fire a bigot. Eliminating problems in the structure is tougher because it requires fixing parts of the system that don't look broken to most white folks.
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We can fire a bigot. Eliminating problems in the structure is tougher because it requires fixing parts of the system that don't look broken to most white folks.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:13 pm

Your failure to understand structural racism is a problem, though.
Blame the lawmakers. The solution is to end the war on drugs and crack, and better police training.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:03 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:13 pm

Your failure to understand structural racism is a problem, though.
Blame the lawmakers. The solution is to end the war on drugs and crack, and better police training.
Blame the lawmakers for your lack of understanding?

I can guarantee that the solution does not consist of just those two things.
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