I think I might have changed 10% if given a second chance. But I think the other 90% was acceptable to me.
When they were listing all the atrocities "your side" does, I was praying that you'd mention the 172 men, women and children on a wagon train from Arkansas whose brains were blown out by "their side."
I really wish that that was part of the 10% you'd change.
Kishkumen wrote:Yeah, that was straight out of the Mopologetic playbook. Anything to score points, even running down the honorable task of defending the accused in America.
When Kwaku pounced on RFM for defending that kid from Vermont accused of first-degree "glass looking" I had to remind myself that it was part of American jurisprudence. Even so-called "glass lookers" are entitled to a defense no matter how heinous the deception!!!
DrumDude wrote:They even claimed it's a regular part of fast and testimony meetings now for people to get up and claim they don't know the church is true.
Has anyone ever heard of this? It was fairly scandalous in my ward to say you believed rather than you knew the Church was true. It's like they were trying so hard to paint a positive picture of the Church that they had to delve into fantasy.
The one thing I learned tonight: Kwaku is a dick. A mean, actually sadistic dick.
Yup!
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
The very first impression I had on seeing them in bullet proof vests was that the Mormons didn't come wearing their garments of protection, and RFM must have...
Yeah, it was another stupid stunt. The kind of thing that makes their show so lame.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
When Cardon said the church has always been open and used the J.S. Papers as his evidence, the audience very rightly laughed out loud... That was the biggest blunder in the debate. And of course, the Mormon brainwashed fall back position now. They never confronted any evidence RFM presented I also noticed. The facts seems more favorable to RFM. That it was at the end he also brought up evidence of Joseph Fielding Smith stupidly hiding the First Vision 1832 account decimated their entire stance, yet once again...
And, it didn't get as heated or argumentative as I expected, though RFM actually got a little hot when they began falsely accusing him and telling lies about him. But overall, it was a good debate. I think RFM went easy on them... and yet, he firmly put them in their place.
That’s the trouble with debates. They are entertainment, not about getting to the bottom of anything. Consiglieri wanted to have fun with it, and he did a great job. The Midnight Morons pulled Mormon heartstrings because that is really all they’ve got. That stuff about being one’s brother’s keeper was rich coming from the dude who was endangering people during the pandemic to make money.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
I created a profile after nearly 10 years away and not thinking about Mormonism for 5+ years and not knowing anything about either of these two podcasts before 24-72 hours ago and never watching anything except this debate to say I thought Cardon was going to be the biggest dick. I was so wrong.
Great to see you, Bond! Yeah, that was a surprise. I thought it would be a lot more about insults than it was. The MMs seem to have realized that testemotionalism was the way to go with the LDS crowd, and they were probably right.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
Quite frankly it did not appear that anyone knew all that much about Mormon history. The polygamy question was totally blown. Totally.
I missed that part.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
Quite frankly it did not appear that anyone knew all that much about Mormon history. The polygamy question was totally blown. Totally.
I missed that part.
It was the multipart multilong question that Cardon derided as incomprehensible.
Kwaku responded with his own personal experience as his mother was a polygamist and he said -- you don't know what its like until you live it. Lame. Cardon took up the rest of the time with utterly stupid platitudes. Consig's response was forgettable and meaningless.
Does anybody know, for instance, that Pres. Joseph F. Smith admitted before a congressional committee that he ignored the manifesto and continued to have children? He didn't rebut the point raised by Senate lawyers that he had married after the manifesto off Catalina?
Or, on the other hand, does anybody want to address the ingrained and sacred nature, apparently, of plural marriage discussed in the Old Testament?
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The one thing I learned tonight: Kwaku is a dick. A mean, actually sadistic dick.
Haha. Basically you're upset because Kwaku defended Mormonism righteously and faithfully and you were hoping the outcome was going to be different than what it was. I was wrong a couple weeks ago when I said RFM would come out of this debate looking like he was being picked on by the Midnight Mormons. Infact, just the opposite!! The audience acted like a bunch of spoiled whiny brats that wanted RFM to tear up his three younger opponents. The Midnight Mormons came out of this debate looking great!! RFM came out of this debate looking like an old man that's upset because he spent the first half of life in Mormonism and now he can't figure out a way to move on. Tell ya the truth, Mormonism was the true winner of this debate. Why the hell would I want to leave Mormonism to just become a middle aged man that looks forward to sitting in an audience that cheers for someone that tears down someones religion? What kinda life is that? The audience was the big loser. A bunch of old white men laughing at three young men defending their faith. You guys need to get a life! Learn how to move on.
. Basically you're upset because Kwaku defended Mormonism righteously and faithfully and you were hoping the outcome was going to be different than what it was. I was wrong a couple weeks ago when I said RFM would come out of this debate looking like he was being picked on by the Midnight Mormons. Infact, just the opposite!! The audience acted like a bunch of spoiled whiny brats that wanted RFM to tear up his three younger opponents. The Midnight Mormons came out of this debate looking great!! RFM came out of this debate looking like an old man that's upset because he spent the first half of life in Mormonism and now he can't figure out a way to move on. Tell ya the truth, Mormonism was the true winner of this debate. Why the hell would I want to leave Mormonism to just become a middle aged man that looks forward to sitting in an audience that cheers for someone that tears down someones religion? What kinda life is that? The audience was the big loser. A bunch of old white men laughing at three young men defending their faith. You guys need to get a life! Learn how to move on.