If I'm a hypocrite for thinking that raping kids is wrong, then I will wear that title as a badge of absolute honor.
That's not what I said at all. You're a hypocrite for the reasons I mentioned.
Looks like there isn't going to be any real discussion on the points/questions I brought up.
Just deflection.
That you folks could be so calloused is unfortunately not unfamiliar in our society today.
The life of the unborn is ignored. People such as yourself look the other way.
Child rape and abuse SHOULD be on the radar. If the church and other religious institutions can make adjustments to protect the victim at all costs, I am totally on board with that.
If I'm a hypocrite for thinking that raping kids is wrong, then I will wear that title as a badge of absolute honor.
That's not what I said at all. You're a hypocrite for the reasons I mentioned.
Looks like there isn't going to be any real discussion on the points/questions I brought up.
Just deflection.
I don't think there are any exceptions wherein raping someone is permissible. That is one of the reasons I don't think these two things are morally equivalent. Because they aren't morally equivalent, holding to one, but not the other, isn't hypocrisy to me.
Since you insist on making these two things morally equivalent, and see adhering to one but not the other as a sign of hypocrisy: What circumstances do you feel make raping someone permissible?
It's disconcerting that the Church places eligibility for baptism for someone who had an abortion because they were raped by their father, on the same tier as the eligibility of a father that rapes their child and impregnates them.
Loaded question and terms, but no. Not horrified.
No. I do not think a woman who has an abortion is of the same moral fortitude of a man who rapes his kids.
Deer God. WTF kind of question is that. The Church gives exceptions for abortion. Are there exceptions for raping your kid?
Seriously dude, where did you go so wrong on your moral and ethical journey in life?
Dude, you are mistaken in thinking that I am supportive of child rape and/or abuse. How many times do I need to say that? Sheesh.
What I am hearing you say is that if for one child rape...as horrendous as it is...thousands of unborn children can be killed while in the womb.
Aand YOU are OK with that?
Where did you and so many others go so wrong as to devalue human life?
That you are not horrified saddens me. Many others feel as you do. No qualms about taking human life. Murder in the womb.
Exceptions for abortion? Yes. But the widescale and horrific numbers of babies that are killed because a women decides to abort a fetus rather than carrying it to full term?
C'mon.
I find it interesting how some folks can be so vehemently angered in one area of human depravity (not that it isn't warranted) and yet be tone deaf when it comes to something that the political left sells the gullible as a matter of fact/convenience.
Hypocrisy.
Regard,
MG
I’m offended at how blatantly you misread Doctor Steuss. That was a terrible failure on your part to turn this around if you ask me.
On this topic, whose responsible for more abortions, humans or God? Because really most fetus’ died before any human could determine the cause. Humans worked hard to figure out how to keep them viable, and even then many millions don’t survive to term. And as believers suggest only god has the responsibility and knowledge to keep them alive but apparently refuses to. If you were able to keep a fetus alive to term which otherwise wouldn’t survive would you do what you could to do so? If you refused to help and it died would that be immoral?
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“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
That's not what I said at all. You're a hypocrite for the reasons I mentioned.
Looks like there isn't going to be any real discussion on the points/questions I brought up.
Just deflection.
I don't think there are any exceptions wherein raping someone is permissible. That is one of the reasons I don't think these two things are morally equivalent. Because they aren't morally equivalent, holding to one, but not the other, isn't hypocrisy to me.
Since you insist on making these two things morally equivalent, and see adhering to one but not the other as a sign of hypocrisy: What circumstances do you feel make raping someone permissible?
Never.
In what circumstances do you feel abortions of a fetus and/or child carried to almost full term is permissible. That is, after the obvious ones are listed. Life of the mother, rape, and a few other instances where an abortion may be necessary.
Elective abortions for example? Abortions where the man wants the woman to get an abortion (fairly common).
All I'm saying is that I believe there is a cone of silence separating us in regards to child rape/abuse and abortions.
I won't belabor the point unless you want to.
Abortions are an abomination. Millions of babies killed.
I don't think there are any exceptions wherein raping someone is permissible. That is one of the reasons I don't think these two things are morally equivalent. Because they aren't morally equivalent, holding to one, but not the other, isn't hypocrisy to me.
Since you insist on making these two things morally equivalent, and see adhering to one but not the other as a sign of hypocrisy: What circumstances do you feel make raping someone permissible?
Never.
In what circumstances do you feel abortions of a fetus and/or child carried to almost full term is permissible. That is, after the obvious ones are listed. Life of the mother, rape, and a few other instances where an abortion may be necessary.
Elective abortions for example? Abortions where the man wants the woman to get an abortion (fairly common).
All I'm saying is that I believe there is a cone of silence separating us in regards to child rape/abuse and abortions.
I won't belabor the point unless you want to.
Abortions are an abomination. Millions of babies killed.
Where is the outrage?
Regards,
MG
I don’t know why I’m playing along with this distraction but. … Why is it immoral for someone to end the development of a conglomeration of cells in a woman’s body? The fetus is not technically a child until born and women nor anyone else is obligated to believe the fetus is an individual with a spirit sent from god.
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
If you were able to keep a fetus alive to term which otherwise wouldn’t survive would you do what you could to do so? If you refused to help and it died would that be immoral?
We have a grandchild who spent weeks in NICU. I am grateful to hold this child in my arms. Yes to the first question.
In the case of those that cared for our granddaughter I would answer yes. But I wasn't concerned about that at all.
My concern is with the almost astronomical number of elective abortions that have occurred over the years and the apparent tone deafness that many, such as yourself, seem to be afflicted with.
Shout bloody murder in one instance. Deaf and dumb when it comes to something that has become a political hot potato.
I simply wanted to bring this interesting contradiction, at least I believe it is, to our attention.
