Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:54 pm
drumdude wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:15 pm

I said a lot of things I wouldn't say now in the rosebud thread. She was (in my mind) accusing Dehlin of actual rape. I believe she was even behind the website calling Dehlin a pedophile.

I think that's the place Consig was commenting from, I know it was for me. We didn't want to see someone who was innocent of the charges defamed like that without rebuttal.

But I would treat it much differently now. Looking back there was way too much dogpiling, and all of it because she fit the stereotype of a "lying/crazy/bitter scorned woman."
Where did she accuse him of actual rape?

Also, while I don't know who is behind the DearJohnDehlin website, I'm 99.9% sure it's not Rosebud. The person behind that website emailed me at one point, asking me to collaborate on a project I'm quite certain Rosebud wouldn't have been interested in.
Several posts on here over the 10 years. She would come in with tons of accusations and insinuations and then edit the posts later when pressed for verification of her wild claims.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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drumdude wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:45 am
jpatterson wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:54 pm
Where did she accuse him of actual rape?

Also, while I don't know who is behind the DearJohnDehlin website, I'm 99.9% sure it's not Rosebud. The person behind that website emailed me at one point, asking me to collaborate on a project I'm quite certain Rosebud wouldn't have been interested in.
Several posts on here over the 10 years. She would come in with tons of accusations and insinuations and then edit the posts later when pressed for verification of her wild claims.
Link?

I've read what I believe is the vast majority of her posts and I don't ever recall her accusing him of 'actual' rape. I am willing to accept evidence to the otherwise, but you saying "I think that's what she said" isn't good enough.
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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:54 am
drumdude wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:45 am
Several posts on here over the 10 years. She would come in with tons of accusations and insinuations and then edit the posts later when pressed for verification of her wild claims.
Link?

I've read what I believe is the vast majority of her posts and I don't ever recall her accusing him of 'actual' rape. I am willing to accept evidence to the otherwise, but you saying "I think that's what she said" isn't good enough.
A lot of us were here to see her make them before she edited her posts. There’s a reason she is so dismissed here. She did it over and over again and then deleted the claims when exposed.

It spanned over a decade and I doubt anyone except rosebud took screenshots. I know a lot of posters here remember her behavior.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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consiglieri wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:25 am
…I would stick up for you if you were the one being unjustly maligned.

Or anyone else on this board.

It’s what I do.
No, I don’t believe that. Based on your posts here that’s simply not a believable statement.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Jenn Kamp's lawsuit probably will not be successful, but her case just further illustrates what is an unmistakable truth:

John Dehlin is ridiculously attracted to, and ultimately always ends up acting inappropriately with, vulnerable women. And until he is held accountable for this pattern of behavior, he will continue doing so.

Those, like RFM, who not only excuse his behavior, but actively defend it, are culpable in this regard.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Unsuccessful lawsuits illustrate unmistakable truths?

You’ve finally gone completely off your nut.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Marcus wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 am
consiglieri wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:25 am
…I would stick up for you if you were the one being unjustly maligned.

Or anyone else on this board.

It’s what I do.
No, I don’t believe that. Based on your posts here that’s simply not a believable statement.
Okay.

Maybe not you.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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consiglieri wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:23 pm
Unsuccessful lawsuits illustrate unmistakable truths?
Lawsuits can reveal a lot of pertinent information, regardless of the outcome of the suit.

For example, we now have confirmation, because of RFM's defense of John Dehlin, that John's main line of defense against the Rosebud accusations is to paint Rosebud as a sex-crazed maniac who was harassing John.

The thing is, RFM's argument only works if you ignore the reams of text messages we have from John in which he is hitting on Rosebud, sending her explicit text messages, talking about his wife's sex life, Rosebud telling him to get lost, John responding that her pushing him away** only makes him hornier, etc etc.

We wouldn't have had that information if it hadn't been for RFM bringing up Rosebud's unsuccessful lawsuit.

But of course RFM doesn't want to address all of the evidence that undercut his argument. Because he's not actually interested in the truth. He's merely interested in defending the guy who's gonna help him get to the top of the Ex-Mormon Blogosphere.

So, yes, unsuccessful lawsuits can be very illustrative.




**Rosebud mentions in her forensic interview, and it is backed up by text messages, John really only was interested in the pursuit of Rosebud. He got off on the chase, not the completion (probably because he suffered from premature ejaculation and sex would have been horribly embarrassing for him anyway). She discovered early on that the best way to get him to leave her alone was to be forward with him. She tells him to go back to his wife...he just pursues her more. So you can see that the impetus for the text messages in John's response to her lawsuit can reasonably be interpreted, ironically, as Rosebud trying to get rid of John. "Just have sex with me" because of John's perversion, is actually a message of "John, leave me alone for good." RFM isn't interested in exploring this (including the corroborating evidence) because he knows it undercuts his rather flaccid argument.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:55 pm
DrStakhanovite wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:59 am
Real talk: Why do you defend John so ardently? I don’t get devil’s advocate vibes or that you are just trying to keep things interesting, but that you earnestly going to bat for the dude. I don’t understand why you’d do this for someone who is so consistently absurd in their behavior.
Just follow the money.
So its your positions that RFM is positive towards John just for the money? I Don't know Conig personally but in my interactions with him over the years, long before he started podcasting, I found him to be a fairly honest and balanced person. Listening to his podcasts only has confirmed that. I don't think he wouod support John simply for the money.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:01 am
DrStakhanovite wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:05 pm
He “annually” has to repost blog articles about being “smeared” that actually includes a photo of him as his wife. He routinely shares this kinda stuff on the very same account he tags family members in, like when he drops in on his daughter at her workplace to take a selfie.
You forgot that he has also lately begun appropriating language from Scientology critics Leah Remini and Mike Rinder, claiming any criticism against him is an effort by the church to "Fair Game" him.
I think the church or its hobby apologist minions do fair game him. Go over the Mormon Dialogues and pick up a thread on him. Check out Midnight Mormons. Top LDS leadership has even named Dehlin directly as a threat.
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