Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:04 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:01 pm
It surely did include copying, word for word, content from the KJV Bible.
Again, I find your usage of the word, “copying” interesting. How did he do that? Copying at what stage of the game?

How does that fit in with the witness testimony of the translation process itself?

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It’s verbatim. The word “copying” fits perfectly.

If you’re going to treat witness statements as hard fact then we aren’t going to be able to help you. See my signature.

I’d love to hear your explanation for how KJV Bible content got into the Book of Mormon…
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:06 pm

If you’re going to treat witness statements as hard fact then we aren’t going to be able to help you. See my signature.
Witness statements to the translation process. Including Emma’s.

IHQ, you’re running on empty, in my opinion.

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:06 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:04 pm


Again, I find your usage of the word, “copying” interesting. How did he do that? Copying at what stage of the game?

How does that fit in with the witness testimony of the translation process itself?

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MG
It’s verbatim. The word “copying” fits perfectly.
No it doesn’t. And you know it.

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:06 pm

I’d love to hear your explanation for how KJV Bible content got into the Book of Mormon…
Oh. My. Gosh.

Have I been talking to deaf ears?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:12 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:06 pm

If you’re going to treat witness statements as hard fact then we aren’t going to be able to help you. See my signature.
Witness statements to the translation process. Including Emma’s.
"To my certain knowledge, Emma Smith is one of the damnedest liars I know of on this earth" (Brigham Young, October session of General Conference 1866.)


https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... is%20earth
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:46 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:12 pm


Witness statements to the translation process. Including Emma’s.
"To my certain knowledge, Emma Smith is one of the damnedest liars I know of on this earth" (Brigham Young, October session of General Conference 1866.)


https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... is%20earth
Yeah, they had some issues.

The fact is, is that there has been no reason to have concerns about the narrative of the Book of Mormon translation process.

This link may be of help in seeing just how ‘real’ the whole plates to Book of Mormon process was to those that actually experienced it:

https://www.eldenwatson.net/

Go to the second bullet point link. Then scroll to the bottom of that page and select link:

“Approximate Book of Mormon Translation Timeline“

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:27 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:46 pm


"To my certain knowledge, Emma Smith is one of the damnedest liars I know of on this earth" (Brigham Young, October session of General Conference 1866.)


https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... is%20earth
Yeah, they had some issues.

The fact is, is that there has been no reason to have concerns about the narrative of the Book of Mormon translation process.
I agree. The wife of a conman is always to be trusted. Besides, it's not like Emma Smith would ever lie.


'Despite her knowledge of polygamy, Emma publicly denied that her husband had ever taken additional wives.[51] While Smith was still alive, Emma spoke against polygamy,[52] and she (along with multiple other signatories directly involved in polygamy) signed an 1842 petition denying that Smith or his church endorsed the practice.[53] After his death, she continued to deny his polygamy. When Joseph III and Alexander specifically asked about polygamy in an interview with their mother, she stated, "No such thing as polygamy, or spiritual wifery, was taught, publicly or privately, before my husband's death, that I have now, or ever had any knowledge of ... He had no other wife but me; nor did he to my knowledge ever have" '

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Smit ... ge,%5Be%5D
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:27 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:46 pm


"To my certain knowledge, Emma Smith is one of the damnedest liars I know of on this earth" (Brigham Young, October session of General Conference 1866.)


https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... is%20earth
Yeah, they had some issues.

The fact is, is that there has been no reason to have concerns about the narrative of the Book of Mormon translation process.
It's because you approach it like this, right?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:05 am
... give undue credence and/or acceptance to this rather shaky story that has layers of prejudicial and chronological time related testimony issues involved.

But then again, maybe it’s rather simple. It fits a narrative...
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Marcus wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:25 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:27 pm


Yeah, they had some issues.

The fact is, is that there has been no reason to have concerns about the narrative of the Book of Mormon translation process.
It's because you approach it like this, right?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:05 am
... give undue credence and/or acceptance to this rather shaky story that has layers of prejudicial and chronological time related testimony issues involved.

But then again, maybe it’s rather simple. It fits a narrative...
https://youtu.be/myW2egBg0NY

What reason would she have to lie to her son?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:27 pm
The fact is, is that there has been no reason to have concerns about the narrative of the Book of Mormon translation process.
Of course there are reasons to be concerned. Content copied verbatim from the KJV Bible, content copied verbatim from the KJV Bible and reused as if it was content from some of the Book of Mormon characters, are good, solid, objective reasons to be concerned about the claim that the Book of Mormon is a translation of ancient plates. If the claim about the process is that Smith translated ancient plates (which is the claim) then people should rightly question the validity of how Smith said he produced that translation.

Another concern with the process is that the story of what process was used has changed. At first it was produced by using magic spectacles and reading from the plates. Now it’s that he read words off a magic rock, one at a time, whilst the rock was in a hat. Both of those processes look to be untruths because both processes would avoid KJV Bible content and KJV Bible mistakes and KJV Bible content repurposed as if someone else said it in the Book of Mormon. This kinds of errors wouldn’t be produced by a literal translation of ancient gold plates, nor would they be produced by a literal dictation of a supernatural projection of a literal translation of ancient gold plates.

Now if you want to speculate beyond those two processes, well, you’re not in a position of doctrinal strength. You’re just making stuff up to avoid grasping the nettle that the Church also wants to avoid grasping. KJV Bible content in the Book of Mormon.

But feel free to go down the ghost committee route, it sounds like you want to…
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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