Liberals are responsible for more violence that conservatives, my guess is it is not even close.
Not even close, sure. But you guessed wrong.
I agree with you and Markk that it is not even close, but you are right that Markk guessed wrong about liberals being the ones who are responsible for the most violence. If he thinks that, he is not nearly as well-informed as he thinks he is.
The Buffalo killings are part of a pattern: Most extremist violence in the U.S. comes from the political right.
Follow our live coverage of the Buffalo mass shooting.
Over the past decade, the Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists.
Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent. Islamic extremists were responsible for about 20 percent, and left-wing extremists were responsible for 4 percent.
Nearly half of the murders were specifically tied to white supremacists:
As this data shows, the American political right has a violence problem that has no equivalent on the left. And the 10 victims in Buffalo this past weekend are now part of this toll. “Right-wing extremist violence is our biggest threat,” Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, has written. “The numbers don’t lie.”
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
1) From a 2021 ‘Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice’ report- California’s Republican‑voting predominantly rural counties suffer significantly higher violence, drug and gun‑related fatalities, and homicides.
2) National health data shows rural counties have increases in drug‑overdose and “despair deaths” (drugs, alcohol, suicide) over the past two decade, most of which are white, conservative‑voting communities.
3) Business Insider conducted a study that of the 82 counties with the most extreme opioid death rates, 77 voted for Trump in 2016 which indicated a trend that white-majority, Republican-voting rural areas are hard hit by drug addiction.
Predominantly white, rural, Republican counties experience high rates of violent crime, overdoses and drug-related deaths, directly contradicting claims that only “minorities” are responsible for violence in conservative regions.
So, Markk and SeeBoob, why don’t you two find a school bus and get on it. You clearly need a refresher in elementary education.
- Doc
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I agree with you and Markk that it is not even close, but you are right that Markk guessed wrong about liberals being the ones who are responsible for the most violence. If he thinks that, he is not nearly as well-informed as he thinks.
Perhaps he has been blinded by Trump pom-poms while cheerleading.
Has anybody seen how Utah Senator Mike Lee has been cheerleading for Boelter?
So yeah, I'm having a hard time placing him as strict MAGA. He doesn't hate immigrants, has a sense of duty to his friends (and even paid for a car and bike during his getaway rather than stiffing like Trump would), married with 5 kids, he is educated (Ed doctorate), his book is on religion (not politics, Q, or conspiracy theories I'm speculating), although he did have an ldsfaq's-like fascination with law enforcement, which is definitely a MAGA impulse and he liked Alex Jones. Overall, I'm getting a Justice Barrett vibe more than your typical capitol rioter. While her fanaticism sent her to the Supreme Court to make a difference, his life accomplishments don't pace his intelligence and social awareness. And that is definitely a factor in feeling powerless.
The abortion thing is really standing out for me. It's common for right-wingers to equate abortion to murder. I recall Ben Shapiro making such a flippant statement and I recall how unconvincing it was. I've said before that right-wing men don't really care about abortion no matter how much they insist on it. It's completely antithetical to the MAGA womanizer/incel mentality. But this guy --- five kids? I'm not getting the vibe he'd feel comfortable in a conversation with my right-wing Christian friend who can't speak about women at all without objectifying them throughout. Boelter may sincerely be pro-life.
Now think about this. What would you do if one day, one of the two parties (doesn't matter which) voted to make school shootings legal? If abortion really is murder, then a woman who has an abortion is no different than someone walking into a school with a gun. Certainly, in such a situation where politicians make school shootings legal while also providing the guns for those without the means, I can say I would feel like maybe this is it for me. Maybe I can't go on in life, as it's just not possible to tolerate such a thing, and maybe I'd do the same as Boelter. And so, if you can imagine how you might feel if school shootings were made legal, then you can understand how a (legitimately) pro-life person feels about abortion. It's no wonder that such a person who is powerless to stop it by any other means might get directly to the point.
This is speculation. As more information comes out, it may be that he really was radicalized by Alex Jones, and his book and manifesto may emphasize more traditionally MAGA conspiratorial talking points. If that is the case, then it will prove me wrong. However, if the information that comes out emphasizes his loathing of abortion in particular, and if it turns out he was a good husband and a father, then it may prove me right, that he's more of a traditional conservative, but one of the .01% who actually believes what he preaches.
Hmmm. My impression of MAGA is that it brings together a constellation of different kinds of awfulness. There are those sociopathic greedy people who are happy to make money at the expense of others by any means they can. There are also the white nationalists. Then there are the religious extremists who want to remake America into a theocratic state that looks like Leave It To Beaver on the surface but is more like the clerical regime in Iran. Then there are the conspiracy theorists and holistic medicine people, which includes the insane mommies who want everything natural for their kids. It is this coalition of greed, fraud, hatred, spiritual lunacy, and authoritarianism that can accommodate many different people who are into one or more of those obsessions to the point of no longer caring how repugnant they appear to others--these are the MAGA people. I see Vance Luther Boelter's bubble as overlapping with several of these obsessions. To my understanding, Boelter is totally MAGA.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
I agree with you and Markk that it is not even close, but you are right that Markk guessed wrong about liberals being the ones who are responsible for the most violence. If he thinks that, he is not nearly as well-informed as he thinks.
Perhaps he has been blinded by Trump pom-poms while cheerleading.
Has anybody seen how Utah Senator Mike Lee has been cheerleading for Boelter?
Senator Lee promoting a Markk-type (or an Ezra Taft Benson-type) lie:
Mike Lee has proven to be one of the chief bootlickers and a lying sack of crap.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
Edited: OK. Their links don't seem to work here. Too bad. It's a good piece.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
