Formal Mormon Theology

[Dr. Shades]

Agreed, I seem to remember from D&C 19 that those who do not repent supposedly have to suffer just as Jesus did in the Atonement before they inherit their glory.

Which would defeat the purpose of the Atonement. If people have to atone for their own sins, then why did Jesus need to do it as well?

The Atonement covers those who DO repent. It's only those who DON'T repent who must atone for their own sins (according to LDS doctrine).

[I Have Questions]

Which would defeat the purpose of the Atonement. If people have to atone for their own sins, then why did Jesus need to do it as well?

The Atonement covers those who DO repent. It's only those who DON'T repent who must atone for their own sins (according to LDS doctrine).

And that’s why Mormons aren’t Christians. Because Christian belief is that the Atonement covers everyone, unconditionally.

[huckelberry]

Agreed, I seem to remember from D&C 19 that those who do not repent supposedly have to suffer just as Jesus did in the Atonement before they inherit their glory.

Which would defeat the purpose of the Atonement. If people have to atone for their own sins, then why did Jesus need to do it as well?

Questions,

Thinking in general Christian terms including, LDS I think, the individual suffering is inadequate without the atonement. Even with it we all have some suffering.

[sock puppet]

Which would defeat the purpose of the Atonement. If people have to atone for their own sins, then why did Jesus need to do it as well?

Questions,

Thinking in general Christian terms including, LDS I think, the individual suffering is inadequate without the atonement. Even with it we all have some suffering.

That is as I recall the Mormon take on the Atonement. It is not absolute--doesn't do the trick by itself--but it is a necessary component.

[I Have Questions]

Which would defeat the purpose of the Atonement. If people have to atone for their own sins, then why did Jesus need to do it as well?

Questions,

Thinking in general Christian terms including, LDS I think, the individual suffering is inadequate without the atonement. Even with it we all have some suffering.

So the Atonement is either Jesus doing half a job of suffering for our sins, or God demands a double amount of suffering for our sins.

[MG 2.0]

Yep. And somehow the Atonement bridges that gap between us and a perfect being where we, through our faith and works...and Jesus' grace, can receive a kingdom of glory.

Everybody, regardless of faith, regardless of works, receives a kingdom of glory. You’re conflating exaltation with salvation.

Everyone receives a kingdom of glory. And yes there is a difference between exaltation and salvation.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Questions,

Thinking in general Christian terms including, LDS I think, the individual suffering is inadequate without the atonement. Even with it we all have some suffering.

So the Atonement is wither Jesus doing half a job of suffering for our sins, or God demands a double amount of suffering for our sins.

Accountability for sins that we don't fully repent of is not an unreasonable concept.

What part of that accountability Jesus paid for is probably above our pay grade to try and determine.

And I'm sure it varies from person to person depending on how much light and knowledge they had. Obviously, accountability would be associated with that.

You may be more accountable than the next person.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

The Atonement covers those who DO repent. It's only those who DON'T repent who must atone for their own sins (according to LDS doctrine).

And that’s why Mormons aren’t Christians.

Latter-day Saints are Christian. That is something that you are unqualified to determine.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

The Atonement covers those who DO repent. It's only those who DON'T repent who must atone for their own sins (according to LDS doctrine).

And that’s why Mormons aren’t Christians. Because Christian belief is that the Atonement covers everyone, unconditionally.

I also don't think of them as Christians because they specify that those not deeply enmeshed in the Mormon religion and only the Mormon religion (I.e. those not paying into the Mormon corporation) will NOT reunite with family or experience joy.

Nelson was pretty clear about this, and what he thinks is in store for non-LDS people in his 2019 gen conf talk as prophet of the LDS church. It's pretty sick:

...I also weep for such friends and relatives. They are wonderful men and women, devoted to their family and civic responsibilities. They give generously of their time, energy, and resources. And the world is better for their efforts. But they have chosen not to make covenants with God. They have not received the ordinances that will exalt them with their families and bind them together forever...

They need to understand that while there is a place for them hereafter—with wonderful men and women who also chose not to make covenants with God—that is not the place where families will be reunited and be given the privilege to live and progress forever. That is not the kingdom where they will experience the fulness of joy—of never-ending progression and happiness.

Those consummate blessings can come only by living in an exalted celestial realm with God, our Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ; and our wonderful, worthy, and qualified family members.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

Note that "worthy and qualified" first and foremost requires paying a lot of money for one's entire life to receive that designation. Unless of course, you reach the upper layers of this pyramid scheme. Then you no longer have to pay, instead you get to spend other people's tithing money on your personal worldly needs and pleasures, while you preach to everyone else about the necessity of continuing to give money, even before caring for children, paying bills, or saving for retirement.

That's the single most formalized "Mormon theology" in my opinion. You have to pay money in order to worship the Mormon god properly. That's not a christian way of life.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

And that’s why Mormons aren’t Christians.

Latter-day Saints are Christian. That is something that you are unqualified to determine.

Regards,
MG

We are not Christian. This is something MG is completely unqualified to determine.