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Re: Oaks confirms we have heavenly mothers.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 7:52 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:53 am
Is this the talk being referred to or is it a different one:

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2 ... tral-area/

If it's this talk, I'm missing what was purportedly said in the clip from reddit.

I'm wondering if someone might point out the time stamp?

Maybe it was another talk? I'm always wary of things being put out on the Internet that are 'shorts' on YouTube or found on a social media site such as reddit.

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Your link doesn't work...
It looks like you have to scroll down to the story (seventh one down). Is it possible that the 'smoking gun' link posted in the OP might be A.I. generated?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:59 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 7:52 am

Your link doesn't work...
It looks like you have to scroll down to the story (seventh one down). Is it possible that the 'smoking gun' link posted in the OP might be A.I. generated?

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MG
No need to invoke AI - the link was "broken" by the autocorrect function of the board software which cannot distinguish between what's typed as part of a URL and what's typed as regular text.

The board capitalizes 𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 wherever it occurs, just as it capitalizes 𝗹𝗱𝘀. This also makes it impossible to guarantee that any URL will never be mangled, as we (regular board members) have no control over what is autocorrected.

For example 𝘄𝘄𝘄.𝗶𝗺𝗼.𝗰𝗼𝗺 is rendered as www.in my opinion.com.

You can use the trick that I employed in this comment to get what you want to see outside of a URL, but if you use it inside a URL then the URL is non-functional.
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Re: Oaks confirms we have heavenly mothers.

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malkie wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:14 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:59 pm


It looks like you have to scroll down to the story (seventh one down). Is it possible that the 'smoking gun' link posted in the OP might be A.I. generated?

Regards,
MG
No need to invoke A.I. - the link was "broken" by the autocorrect function of the board software which cannot distinguish between what's typed as part of a URL and what's typed as regular text.

The board capitalizes 𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 wherever it occurs, just as it capitalizes 𝗹𝗱𝘀. This also makes it impossible to guarantee that any URL will never be mangled, as we (regular board members) have no control over what is autocorrected.

For example 𝘄𝘄𝘄.𝗶𝗺𝗼.𝗰𝗼𝗺 is rendered as www.in my opinion.com.

You can use the trick that I employed in this comment to get what you want to see outside of a URL, but if you use it inside a URL then the URL is non-functional.
Interesting. Nonetheless, it's possible to get to Elder Oak's talk. I'm not seeing/hearing anything that's a 'smoking gun' in this talk.

And he looks a lot better than he was made out to look in the 'short' that was found on reddit.

Something fishy going on? Hard to say. But for reasons I've already mentioned I wonder if we ought to be a bit skeptical. If there's nothing to it, it wouldn't be the first time a critic had a so-called smoking gun that turned out to be a dud.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:28 pm
malkie wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:14 pm

No need to invoke A.I. - the link was "broken" by the autocorrect function of the board software which cannot distinguish between what's typed as part of a URL and what's typed as regular text.

The board capitalizes 𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 wherever it occurs, just as it capitalizes 𝗹𝗱𝘀. This also makes it impossible to guarantee that any URL will never be mangled, as we (regular board members) have no control over what is autocorrected.

For example 𝘄𝘄𝘄.𝗶𝗺𝗼.𝗰𝗼𝗺 is rendered as www.in my opinion.com.

You can use the trick that I employed in this comment to get what you want to see outside of a URL, but if you use it inside a URL then the URL is non-functional.
Interesting. Nonetheless, it's possible to get to Elder Oak's talk. I'm not seeing/hearing anything that's a 'smoking gun' in this talk.

And he looks a lot better than he was made out to look in the 'short' that was found on reddit.

Something fishy going on? Hard to say. But for reasons I've already mentioned I wonder if we ought to be a bit skeptical. If there's nothing to it, it wouldn't be the first time a critic had a so-called smoking gun that turned out to be a dud.

Regards,
MG
MG the smoking gun is that via this “prophet, seer, and revelator” we know that the church and its apologists denials that “God didn't become a God” like the Lorenzo Snow couplet and all of church history say, is PR nonsense.

If Elohim didn’t become a god why do heavenly mothers exist? To beget spirit children? Oh, what is the ultimate goal of those sprit children? Why to reach exaltation to godhood and rule over “thrones and kingdoms and worlds” of course!

Mormon apologists continually get metaphorically kicked in the face by church leadership and I find it rather funny
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Mag’ladroth wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:34 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:28 pm


Interesting. Nonetheless, it's possible to get to Elder Oak's talk. I'm not seeing/hearing anything that's a 'smoking gun' in this talk.

And he looks a lot better than he was made out to look in the 'short' that was found on reddit.

Something fishy going on? Hard to say. But for reasons I've already mentioned I wonder if we ought to be a bit skeptical. If there's nothing to it, it wouldn't be the first time a critic had a so-called smoking gun that turned out to be a dud.

Regards,
MG
MG the smoking gun is that via this “prophet, seer, and revelator” we know that the church and its apologists denials that “God didn't become a God” like the Lorenzo Snow couplet and all of church history say, is PR nonsense.

If Elohim didn’t become a god why do heavenly mothers exist? To beget spirit children? Oh, what is the ultimate goal of those sprit children? Why to reach exaltation to godhood and rule over “thrones and kingdoms and worlds” of course!

Mormon apologists continually get metaphorically kicked in the face by church leadership and I find it rather funny
Megladroth, I have no idea as to what you are referring. Can you reference denials of this sort? This would be a major shift in LDS teaching.( not just, well we don't much teach that for deflecting a televised question)

Has the hymn Our father with its verse about heavenly mother been removed?
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huckelberry wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:29 pm
Mag’ladroth wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:34 pm


MG the smoking gun is that via this “prophet, seer, and revelator” we know that the church and its apologists denials that “God didn't become a God” like the Lorenzo Snow couplet and all of church history say, is PR nonsense.

If Elohim didn’t become a god why do heavenly mothers exist? To beget spirit children? Oh, what is the ultimate goal of those sprit children? Why to reach exaltation to godhood and rule over “thrones and kingdoms and worlds” of course!

Mormon apologists continually get metaphorically kicked in the face by church leadership and I find it rather funny
Megladroth, I have no idea as to what you are referring. Can you reference denials of this sort? This would be a major shift in LDS teaching.( not just, well we don't much teach that for deflecting a televised question)

Has the hymn Our father with its verse about heavenly mother been removed?
No it hasn't. We've sung that hymn recently. Reference to Heavenly Mother is made at church.

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Rivendale, any further clarification?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:42 pm
Rivendale, any further clarification?

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MG
Here is the original OP's explanation of why it isn't AI.
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The link was to his fireside he gave in Brussels Sunday evening. The quote excerpt was from a sacrament meeting he showed up to in the Gent ward in Brussels Sunday morning. The sacrament meeting was only broadcast to ward members so a link is not available. This excerpt was captured by a ward member in the morning during the Sacrament meeting talk. Several people insisted this excerpt was Al generated so Rebecca sent the link to the fireside to show that Elder Oakes was in fact in Brussels that day.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:26 am
The Church News has written up an article about Oaks and his talk in Belgium. Can you guess which part of his talk they forget to mention?
They didn't show the talk at the Sacrament meeting. I think we know why.
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Rivendale wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 7:08 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:26 am
The Church News has written up an article about Oaks and his talk in Belgium. Can you guess which part of his talk they forget to mention?
They didn't show the talk at the Sacrament meeting. I think we know why.
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