WW2 politics, and leading up to the War and beyond...

[Markk]

Thinking about Morley's comment about computers and education I could think, why not big increases in education? Computers have placed huge amounts of knowledge at everyone's fingertips. What are alkali bees? Ask Google and information is right there.

But education is not just finding a bunch of information, it is more understanding how the stuff fits together into meaningful relationships. Why did Germany invade Russia with inadequate preparation? It is more understanding how the stuff fits together into meaningful relationships. Why did Germany invade Russia with inadequate preparation?

I think the easy answer is that Hitler after annexing Austria, then Czechoslovakia, and then the big one into France....he actually believed, despite his Generals' opinions, that he could take out Russia in a short few months.

The longer answer would be a decade of discussions with the final answer being " D. All the above. "

[Moksha]

Why did Germany invade Russia with inadequate preparation?

They were thoroughly steeped in MAGA wisdom and Trumpian bravado.

[Morley]

You get butt hurt and frustrated per your posts.

I have to hand it to you, Markk. You act like a dick. Someone calls your attention to it. Then you complain that they're getting all butt hurt. That's sweet.

[Morley]

Thinking about Morley's comment about computers and education I could think, why not big increases in education? Computers have placed huge amounts of knowledge at everyone's fingertips. What are alkali bees? Ask Google and information is right there.

But education is not just finding a bunch of information, it is more understanding how the stuff fits together into meaningful relationships. Why did Germany invade Russia with inadequate preparation?

I think the easy answer is that Hitler after annexing Austria, then Czechoslovakia, and then the big one into France....he actually believed, despite his Generals' opinions, that he could take out Russia in a short few months.

The longer answer would be a decade of discussions with the final answer being " D. All the above. "

I dunno, but I think Huck’s point was more nuanced than that.

[Gunnar]

Lol, how old are you, you must have fought in the war if you knew about the war as you claim before I was born. Hitler had only been dead a dozen years when I was born.

I was talking specifically about the winter war between Finland and the USSR.

I was aware of the reality of that war back when I was in high school back in the 60's when I was a teenager. Were you born before that?

As for the rest of the thread, nothing in that thread altered or changed the fact of the reality of WW2, the evil perfidy of the Nazis and the holocaust they perpetrated or the major campaigns and the resultant tragic loss of lives and the justice of the efforts to defeat the Axis powers and the aftermath of that war for both our side and theirs. These are the relevant takeaways for me. Certainly, there are a lot of details about the war and atrocities and consequences I have yet to learn about that will probably arouse my fascination, when I learn about them, but nothing in the current discussion alters the relevance of the war and the importance of striving our best to never repeat anything like it from ever happening again. Is there any valid justification for disagreement about that?

[Gunnar]

After reading through this whole 50 + page thread I can't say I learned any truly relevant and verifiable facts about WW2 that that I did not know before reading this. I already knew that both Hitler and Stalin were evil, murderous men. I knew that the Nazis wanted to exterminate all Jews they could; whether that was their intent from the beginning or whether they thought it was somehow more compassionate to gas them than shoot them is irrelevant, as far as I am concerned. I already knew that Franklin Roosevelt's sympathy was with the allies from the beginning, but I am far from convinced that he knew or hoped that Japan would attack Pearl Harbor (though I don't entirely discount that possibility).

I know that allying with Russia, as distasteful as that was, was probably essential to defeating the axis powers and was the lesser evil of the options available to us. I don't think the reality of the winter war between Finland and Russia was as obscure and little known as Markk seems to think. I was familiar with the history of that before Markk was born, unless he is a lot older than I think he is. I would hope that we all agree, including Markk and Cooper, that WW2 was an abominable part of human history and that defeating the Nazis and their allies was a necessary and good thing. That is by far the most important takeaway of this discussion. By comparison, much of the arguing over the differences of opinion over the actions and motivations of the heroes and villains participating in that abominable episode in our history seems largely irrelevant to me.

Well said, Gunnar.

Thanks, Morley! It's too bad Markk doesn't see it that way!

[Marcus]

Lol, how old are you, you must have fought in the war if you knew about the war as you claim before I was born. Hitler had only been dead a dozen years when I was born.

I was talking specifically about the winter war between Finland and the USSR.

I was aware of the reality of that war back when I was in high school back in the 60's when I was a teenager. Were you born before that?

As for the rest of the thread, nothing in that thread altered or changed the fact of the reality of WW2, the evil perfidy of the Nazis and the holocaust they perpetrated or the major campaigns and the resultant tragic loss of lives and the justice of the efforts to defeat the Axis powers and the aftermath of that war for both our side and theirs. These are the relevant takeaways for me. Certainly, there are a lot of details about the war and atrocities and consequences I have yet to learn about that will probably arouse my fascination, when I learn about them, but nothing in the current discussion alters the relevance of the war and the importance of striving our best to never repeat anything like it from ever happening again. Is there any valid justification for disagreement about that?

Markk's comment that "you must have fought in the war if you knew about the war as you claim before I was born" is just ridiculous. It illustrates quite a bit about the further deficiencies of his podcast-based learning method.

Thank you for your post, well said.

[Morley]

The link I provided was a review of his controversy by a fellow history podcaster who has listened to his podcasts and even collaborated with Darryl and a third history podcaster in making a podcast. The guy I am linking has made a podcast with Cooper, and he thinks Cooper is talented, and he thinks Cooper is misunderstood. Don't tell me to focus if you aren't willing to read my posts.

https://historyimpossible.substack.com/ ... ers-shadow

link may not work, search for this in google:

Contextualizing Third Reich revisionism (and Darryl Cooper's sources)

This link may be the best part of this thread. Thanks, Gad.

[Markk]

You get butt hurt and frustrated per your posts.

I have to hand it to you, Markk. You act like a dick. Someone calls your attention to it. Then you complain that they're getting all butt hurt. That's sweet.

How am I being a dick. Lol? I think I am doing okay given it is basically be against the board. When I say something wrong or get sloppy I get pounced on, yet you guys do it all the time and you support and defend each other, I can't possibly respond to it each time it happens. I get that though, and am okay with that, it is my choice to be here. I'll get burned out and leave for a year or so as a often do, but I enjoy the challenge.

I get that I could take just about any position here and there are folks here that will find a way to make it negative toward me because I am Conservative Christian, and challenge to tribe. The Art thread is a great example of that.

I come here for several different reasons I suppose, one is that this board has helped me process me out of being born and raised in a cult, and I am thankful for that. And another is, maybe because of my journey out of Mormonism, I love the challenge of engaging with others and more so myself, in critical thought. Which is why I believe I may be attracted to folks like Cooper, Tucker, Rogan, Maher, Dave Smith etc, folks on the edge....they challenge me to look at my, for lack of a better explanation...."comfort zone ideologies." I don't want to be the person that engages in a conversation with someone, criticizes their position, then refuses to even look at or test what they are criticizing, and not have a clue what the are even talking about, and are too lazy to find out.

My guess is you are butthurt because you know it is shallow and weak to refuse to listen to a Cooper podcast. I just don't see how you cannot be happy happy about that choice given your background, training, and intelligence.

I tell you what, I appreciate the fact that you like to dig in and look for and read CF, I also enjoy that and the understanding and rabbit trails it brings, so consider this a Endnote from me.... I am just asking for you to listen to the first 25 +- minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-tAltA ... cT&index=6

The first 25 minutes is not so much about substance, it is only a prelude Israel's Zionism, which if you choose to listen to the series (20 hours) it is not so much about who is right or who is wrong, he leaves that up to the listener, but the story behind the journey of the Jews and Arabs, from primarily WW1 forward, and how it impacts both the innocents of the millions of Jews and Arabs, and the selfish greedy forces behind the players that allowed and forced it to happen for political reasons and greed.

Spoiler alert, you will find a lot of this to criticize Cooper on, I certainly do, but you will also see it from a compassionate humane perspective for the innocents on both sides.

[Markk]

The link I provided was a review of his controversy by a fellow history podcaster who has listened to his podcasts and even collaborated with Darryl and a third history podcaster in making a podcast. The guy I am linking has made a podcast with Cooper, and he thinks Cooper is talented, and he thinks Cooper is misunderstood. Don't tell me to focus if you aren't willing to read my posts.

https://historyimpossible.substack.com/ ... ers-shadow

link may not work, search for this in google:

Contextualizing Third Reich revisionism (and Darryl Cooper's sources)

This link may be the best part of this thread. Thanks, Gad.

I think this would be a good one to go through....