Who speaks for the Democrats?

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Re: Who speaks for the Democrats?

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canpakes wrote:
Sat Aug 16, 2025 4:15 pm
Chap wrote:
Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:17 am
Please excuse a naïve question from a UK poster. My question is this: is there at present anybody who is, at least formally, the national spokesman for the Democratic party? If so, who is it?
Trump commands that loyalty not because he is a man of significant ideals or ideas, rather because he threatens to end the careers of anyone who doesn’t agree with him. Republicans like their jobs, so they’ll do whatever Trump wants. This ends up being a circle jerk where Trump does what he wants to serve Trump, and every Republican follows along so that they don’t have to be asking people, “Would you like fries with that?” six months from now.
That's certainly the truth! Most of today's republicans are spineless twits who don't dare express any opinion of which Trump disapproves or contradict him to his face even when he is clearly mistaken or obviously lying.
With Democrats, you see a bit more backbone and a better range of opinions and ideals.
And they seem more amenable to listening to and respecting others' viewpoints and modifying their own when warranted by new evidence of which they were previously unaware.
If you were to make a list of the folks in the party attracting the most interest these days, it might look like this:

- Gavin Newsom (California): Gavin has been doing a bit of Trump Trolling as of late. Good for him. I don’t see him as a viable future Presidential candidate but he’s a thorn in Trump’s side.
- Josh Shapiro (Pennsylvania): Seen as possessing strong leadership skills with a knack for being able to broker deals across the aisle.
- Gretchen Whitmer (Michigan): Popular, sensible and opinionated.
- J.B. Pritzker (Illinois): Pritzker has broad appeal and has a huge personal fortune to boot, which would come in handy if he decides to run for President.
- Andy Beshear (Kentucky): Generally well-liked, also seen as sensible and having broad appeal
- Wes Moore (Maryland): Seen as one of the rising voices in the party.
- Pete Buttigieg (Former Secretary of Transportation): Buttigieg is smart as a whip and would make an excellent candidate for the Presidency, but he’d face an uphill climb given America’s general aversion to electing gay folks and/or women.
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Representative, New York): everyone’s favorite progressive, she’s also heaps smarter than many of her contemporaries on the other side of the aisle.
- Bernie Sanders (Senator, Vermont): Everyone’s other favorite progressive; when he talks, Hound soils his pants.
I don't see any one I don't like on that list, though I like some better than others. The only reservation I have about Pete Buttigieg is that Trump has so "poisoned the well" against gay folks that he might have too much of an "uphill climb", as you said, to survive the election process. Trump seems to have succeeded in reversing what used to be growing trend to be less judgmental and intolerant against gays and other minorities. This is one of the worst things he and his MAGA minions have managed to do to this country, in my opinion.

As for Bernie Sanders, I admire him greatly and he is still as sharp as a tack (unlike Trump), but I am concerned that because of his age, he might not live through a complete term. I would hate to see him get elected only to die before he completes his term of office. That wouldn't stop me from voting for him, though, should he win the nomination.
You might note that the Republican Party, in comparison, has very few ‘leading voices’, as virtually every member of that party has either cut off their balls and handed them to Trump or fully prostituted and prostrated themselves at the alter to a convicted, sexual-abusing fraudster in order to reduce themselves to nothing more than an echo chamber of whatever word salad spills out of Donald Trump’s bronzer-greased mouth.
I have certainly noticed that. They seem to have become terrified of saying or implying anything that might not sit well with Trump. It is most obvious in the extreme evasiveness of their answers to questions like what they would do if Trump asked them to break the law or violate the constitution or lie under oath or do anything else unethical on his behalf.
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Hound, what is this woke Marxist ideology? I am wondering what it is so I can decide if I want to be a part of it or not.
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Chap wrote:
Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:17 am
Please excuse a naïve question from a UK poster. My question is this: is there at present anybody who is, at least formally, the national spokesman for the Democratic party? If so, who is it?

I ask this because in the political culture I am used to, any serious political party has a leader elected by its members, who will in all cases already be an elected Member of Parliament, and who aspires to be Prime Minister in the event of their party winning (or being able to assemble) a majority in the House of Commons at the next election. In the case of the Labour Party, Keir Starmer is its leader, and since the Labour Party won a majority of seats in the last election, he is the Prime Minister and head of the government. But there is also a leader of the Conservative Party, Kemi Badenoch, who is a Member of Parliament, and is expected to be the person who speaks up for the Conservatives on the national stage as well as in Parliament. Since she is leader of the party with the largest number of seats in the House of Commons after the ruling Labour Party, she even has an official title, 'Leader of the Opposition'.

But so far as I can see, now that there is no longer a Democratic President, there is no-one whose role is to speak for the Democratic Party on the national stage. Or is there someone, but they are not very good at what they are supposed to be doing?
Chap, interesting question. In a simple way it is a reminder of the differences in our systems. Our parties are broader and less focused than those you describe. Times like now leave people wondering which leader or leaders will come forward. That uncertainty has always been part of politics here. A variety of people present some leadership, but no one individual is selected. There is an individual head of party in the House, another in the Senate. They certainly influence but remain among a variety of people providing some leadership.

Leaving all of us wondering about who might lead.
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Chap wrote:
Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:17 am
Please excuse a naïve question from a UK poster. My question is this: is there at present anybody who is, at least formally, the national spokesman for the Democratic party? If so, who is it?
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The concept of "woke" has met its demise, …
Nope. It’s completely ubiquitous within MAGA. They’ve always been the worst offenders.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sat Aug 16, 2025 4:05 pm
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Sat Aug 16, 2025 3:23 pm
You couldn't be more wrong. He is an absolute disaster. If his miserable performance at the Alaska summit with Putin didn't convince you of that, you suffer from severe cognitive deficiency! I agree with Chap. Your answer to his question was neither relevant nor enlightening!
My answer was not only relevant and enlightening, but it was also entirely truthful. Your disagreement holds little weight, as you have repeatedly shown that you let wokeness shape your identity, which is not a positive way to define yourself.
So, do you deny that Trump was completely humiliated and owned by Putin at that disastrous summit meeting in Alaska, and revealed himself to be a bumbling, incompetent buffoon? That was probably the most embarrassing performance by an American President in history! I repeat that if you are still not convinced of that, you either were not paying attention, or you have a serious cognizant deficiency!
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Re: Who speaks for the Democrats?

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Gunnar wrote:
Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:10 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sat Aug 16, 2025 4:05 pm
My answer was not only relevant and enlightening, but it was also entirely truthful. Your disagreement holds little weight, as you have repeatedly shown that you let wokeness shape your identity, which is not a positive way to define yourself.
So, do you deny that Trump was completely humiliated and owned by Putin at that disastrous summit meeting in Alaska, and revealed himself to be a bumbling, incompetent buffoon? That was probably the most embarrassing performance by an American President in history! I repeat that if you are still not convinced of that, you either were not paying attention, or you have a serious cognizant deficiency!
How did Putin humiliate Trump and the United States? I genuinely don't grasp what you're suggesting. Just because you wish to feel that Putin humiliated Trump doesn't necessarily mean that he actually did. Please share with us how Trump experienced humiliation.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:35 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:10 pm
So, do you deny that Trump was completely humiliated and owned by Putin at that disastrous summit meeting in Alaska, and revealed himself to be a bumbling, incompetent buffoon? That was probably the most embarrassing performance by an American President in history! I repeat that if you are still not convinced of that, you either were not paying attention, or you have a serious cognizant deficiency!
How did Putin humiliate Trump and the United States? I genuinely don't grasp what you're suggesting. Just because you wish to feel that Putin humiliated Trump doesn't necessarily mean that he actually did. Please share with us how Trump experienced humiliation.
That has already been exhaustively explained. If you still can't see it, you're probably beyond help!
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Gunnar wrote:
Sun Aug 17, 2025 4:21 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:35 pm
How did Putin humiliate Trump and the United States? I genuinely don't grasp what you're suggesting. Just because you wish to feel that Putin humiliated Trump doesn't necessarily mean that he actually did. Please share with us how Trump experienced humiliation.
That has already been exhaustively explained. If you still can't see it, you're probably beyond help!
It’s quite entertaining to observe progressive Marxists like yourself and the three stooges, especially Moe, who plays the role of "Canpakes the moderator." It’s amusing how you all seem to think that just because you hold a particular belief, everyone else should share the same view, and if they don’t, it implies they are uninformed.

The mentality you're exhibiting is precisely the primary reason the Republicans secured victories in the House, Senate, Supreme Court, all seven swing states, and the presidency!

Gunnar, you remain involved in a cult! Did you once identify as a Mormon and have since left the church? If that’s the case, take a moment to reflect on your feelings as a Mormon, and then think back to the moment you came to the realization that you were part of a cult. You may have felt deceived and found it hard to accept that you once embraced such an extraordinary belief system like Mormonism.

From an external perspective, it becomes evident that Mormonism caters to those willing to relinquish their personal freedom to a group of men in Utah, allowing these leaders to provide their followers with a framework that primarily serves those who adopt a collective mindset. Gunnar, what you have done is relinquish your individual freedom once again by permitting the cult of progressivism to dictate your thoughts and actions, much like when you adhered to the brethren during your time as a Mormon.

Mormonism, progressivism, Marxism, communism, socialism, all focus on the idea of enhancing the collective through a shared mindset. Conservatism emphasizes the importance of strengthening society by promoting individualism, which fosters independent thought. This approach ultimately benefits a greater number of people, in contrast to collectivism, which tends to result in a hierarchy where a select few leaders are followed, as individuals struggle to think for themselves.

If you genuinely think that Jasmon Crockett should run for president, it might be time to reconsider your life choices, wouldn't you agree?

Do you believe Bernie speaks for the Democrat party?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:35 pm
Please share with us how Trump experienced humiliation.
You want to know how? He experiences humiliation as a narcissistic injury.
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