The transcript of her gender discrepancy issues is available to everyone here. https://www.youtube.com/live/nSu8cD_IMi ... O0sGfB2ndC timestamp 18:56.Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:23 pmBless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pmOne of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion. As critics are wont to say, the LDS Church and its commandments/gospel teachings are “high demand”. Some of these expectations that the gospel of Jesus Christ might put on members may be beyond and/or not conform to the personal desires of what some call “bodily autonomy” and “authenticity”.
YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars
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Thanks. I’m very interested to hear MG explain himself on this one. He’s been pushing the body autonomy angle as the catalyst to her other problems with the Church, so I think he needs to expand just what his point is.Rivendale wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:36 pmThe transcript of her gender discrepancy issues is available to everyone here. https://www.youtube.com/live/nSu8cD_IMi ... O0sGfB2ndC timestamp 18:56.Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:23 pmBless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I think you’ve accurately described the way some people think as they begin their path out of the church.Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:23 pmBless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pmOne of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion. As critics are wont to say, the LDS Church and its commandments/gospel teachings are “high demand”. Some of these expectations that the gospel of Jesus Christ might put on members may be beyond and/or not conform to the personal desires of what some call “bodily autonomy” and “authenticity”.
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What Wang said.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:43 pmThanks. I’m very interested to hear MG explain himself on this one. He’s been pushing the body autonomy angle as the catalyst to her other problems with the Church, so I think he needs to expand just what his point is.Rivendale wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:36 pmThe transcript of her gender discrepancy issues is available to everyone here. https://www.youtube.com/live/nSu8cD_IMi ... O0sGfB2ndC timestamp 18:56.
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I didn’t think you’d explain yourself. But I had to give you the chance to prove me wrong. Oh well. You haven’t even listened to the podcast you referenced. You skimmed the intro notes and that was as far as you got.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:51 pmWhat Wang said.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:43 pmThanks. I’m very interested to hear MG explain himself on this one. He’s been pushing the body autonomy angle as the catakyst to her other problems with the Church, so I think he needs to expand just what his point is.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Alyssa hits the Wall Street Journal. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ex-Mormon-tik ... _permalink
Good for her. I have been waiting for someone to break the John Dehlin stagnation and she might do it. Over 1 million views is 1/5 of the orthodox Mormons.
Good for her. I have been waiting for someone to break the John Dehlin stagnation and she might do it. Over 1 million views is 1/5 of the orthodox Mormons.
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She did the podcast at Mormon Stories in two parts. I watched around two thirds of the first episode. I didn't read the show notes. You seem to want me to give acquiescence/deference to you, IHQ. "Prove me wrong," "Explain yourself," etc.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 7:09 amI didn’t think you’d explain yourself. But I had to give you the chance to prove me wrong. Oh well. You haven’t even listened to the podcast you referenced. You skimmed the intro notes and that was as far as you got.
I don't owe you anything beyond the time of day. And I think there is a seven-hour difference. So that won't do you any good. Chill out dude.
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As MG would tell you, women who seek bodily autonomy are out of compliance with the key element of the Gospel, which is obedience to male Church Authorities.
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I think there may be another way of looking at it. Women are, under the auspices of the concept of bodily autonomy, able to receive an elective abortion. The church frowns on the taking of life from an unborn child unless absolutely necessary. The church also frowns on fornication, sodomy, and adultery. One might say that these things fall under the category of bodily autonomy.
Now, what Alyssa is referring to, I can't say for sure. She may be referring to other choices a woman might make in regard to her body that might be a bit less of a concern from a religious perspective.
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