Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Re: Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:01 pm
The word "desperately" in the sentence is an expression of Kimmel's opinion
Using the word "desperately" to characterize MAGA's actions was not only incorrect, but also totally 100% irresponsible!

Since it isn't a fact, it doesn't qualify as evidence, and as you mentioned, it's merely his opinion, inserted midsentence to tarnish an entire group, that being MAGA. The use of "desperately" fails to accurately convey the situation, Kimmel is trying to dictate the audience's emotions, using the word as a rhetorical tool rather than presenting an objective reality! Do you agree?

The use of the word "desperately" is defamatory, as it is now clear that the assassin had no connections to MAGA. Kimmel is trying to silence any potential discussions he might face, it's a complete typical strategy to evade responsibility and showcases emotional manipulation at its peak! he not only misrepresented the shooter's ideology, but he also employed the word desperately to discredit anyone who attempted to set the record straight. That is simply a form of propaganda!

100% lie he told. He wasn't funny anyway!
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Re: Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:01 pm
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Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:34 pm
What's your point then?

It’s clear that the individuals displaying desperation over the weekend were those like DrCam and other leftists trying to persuade others that the assassin was part of the Groyper movement. Their attempt was a complete failure, wouldn't you agree?

MAGA wasn't desperate, Kimmel lied!

Ceeboo sounds like he desperately needs a vacation though! :x
The word "desperately" in the sentence is an expression of Kimmel's opinion. You may disagree with his opinion. But the expression of an opinion is not a "lie" simply because you don't agree with it.

In my opinion, "desperate" is a reasonable description of the immediate waving of the bloody shirt by MAGA politicians and influencers before they knew anything about Tyler. Your disagreement with my opinion does not make either of us liars. Whether statements by other folks could be fairly described as "desperate" -- or even more desperate -- is irrelevant to what Jimmy actually said.

Jimmy's opinion is not a lie.

Try again.
Kimmel’s opinion is that his words are funny or benign. His information is horse crap.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:24 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:01 pm
The word "desperately" in the sentence is an expression of Kimmel's opinion
Using the word "desperately" to characterize MAGA's actions was not only incorrect, but also totally 100% irresponsible!

Since it isn't a fact, it doesn't qualify as evidence, and as you mentioned, it's merely his opinion, inserted midsentence to tarnish an entire group, that being MAGA. The use of "desperately" fails to accurately convey the situation, Kimmel is trying to dictate the audience's emotions, using the word as a rhetorical tool rather than presenting an objective reality! Do you agree?

The use of the word "desperately" is defamatory, as it is now clear that the assassin had no connections to MAGA. Kimmel is trying to silence any potential discussions he might face, it's a complete typical strategy to evade responsibility and showcases emotional manipulation at its peak! he not only misrepresented the shooter's ideology, but he also employed the word desperately to discredit anyone who attempted to set the record straight. That is simply a form of propaganda!

He wasn't funny anyway!
No, I don't. I think it would be reasonable to describe your post as "desperately" trying to distract from the fact that Jimmy didn't lie.

Meghan Kelly lied about what Jimmy actually said. Why hasn't she been fired?

You just lied. Jimmy's single sentence said absolutely nothing about the shooter's ideology. The subject of the sentence was not the shooter. Why shouldn't the government deprive you of your livelihood?

You are deliberately reading paranoid fantasies into a single sentence in a comedian's monologue. That's 100% bad faith.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:43 pm
Meghan Kelly lied about what Jimmy actually said. Why hasn't she been fired?
Lol. The election of Trump has elevated lying to the status of national sport.
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canpakes wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:48 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:43 pm
Meghan Kelly lied about what Jimmy actually said. Why hasn't she been fired?
Lol. The election of Trump has elevated lying to the status of national sport.
Hound is just another example of the insanity. Look at the effort he had to go to to try and twist a single sentence by a comedian in a stand up monologue into the worst thing ever uttered on the face of the planet. And he still couldn't twist that sentence into a lie. That's utter bad faith. And in this dangerous situation, it's throwing gasoline on the fire.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:43 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:24 pm
Using the word "desperately" to characterize MAGA's actions was not only incorrect, but also totally 100% irresponsible!

Since it isn't a fact, it doesn't qualify as evidence, and as you mentioned, it's merely his opinion, inserted midsentence to tarnish an entire group, that being MAGA. The use of "desperately" fails to accurately convey the situation, Kimmel is trying to dictate the audience's emotions, using the word as a rhetorical tool rather than presenting an objective reality! Do you agree?

The use of the word "desperately" is defamatory, as it is now clear that the assassin had no connections to MAGA. Kimmel is trying to silence any potential discussions he might face, it's a complete typical strategy to evade responsibility and showcases emotional manipulation at its peak! he not only misrepresented the shooter's ideology, but he also employed the word desperately to discredit anyone who attempted to set the record straight. That is simply a form of propaganda!

He wasn't funny anyway!
No, I don't. I think it would be reasonable to describe your post as "desperately" trying to distract from the fact that Jimmy didn't lie.

Meghan Kelly lied about what Jimmy actually said. Why hasn't she been fired?

You just lied. Jimmy's single sentence said absolutely nothing about the shooter's ideology. The subject of the sentence was not the shooter. Why shouldn't the government deprive you of your livelihood?

You are deliberately reading paranoid fantasies into a single sentence in a comedian's monologue. That's 100% bad faith.
Got it! Conservatives lie, progressives don't! :lol: :lol:
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 10:13 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:43 pm
No, I don't. I think it would be reasonable to describe your post as "desperately" trying to distract from the fact that Jimmy didn't lie.

Meghan Kelly lied about what Jimmy actually said. Why hasn't she been fired?

You just lied. Jimmy's single sentence said absolutely nothing about the shooter's ideology. The subject of the sentence was not the shooter. Why shouldn't the government deprive you of your livelihood?

You are deliberately reading paranoid fantasies into a single sentence in a comedian's monologue. That's 100% bad faith.
Got it! Conservatives lie, progressives don't! :lol: :lol:
Actually, your response can be seen as a great example of the dishonesty seen in much of today’s discourse.

But you’re free to apply that generalization to yourself if you must.
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I sent a note this morning to my drinking buddy that mentioned Tucker and Megyn, and I'll admit I just scraped that off the title of some rando video on my YouTube feed that I didn't even watch. I figured it would be good enough for a guy who spends as much time hunched over a lowball as I do.

Boy, did Ceeboo jump into action to refute it. With a link and quotes and a basic analysis. It's the most substance I've seen from Ceeboo in like, forever. He could very well be correct. I do note that the quote he provided from her is not exclusive to the claim I repeated, assuming that's what I really saw, although it certainly urges skepticism to the claim. Perhaps I'll look into it more. We'll see. I'm happy enough to yield the point.

Psychologically instructive though. These essays that Res Ipsa and Steuss write that are quite good receive barely any comment from Ceeboo. They get brief dismissals, which seem intended to leave the impression that the duck understands all of this and knows better, for reasons that are beneath him to expound upon. But I think this latest episode shows if there's a chance he can win, he jumps right in and submits a real answer. And this is a case, you know, what's going on today in right-wing media, something that doesn't require much effort.
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BRAKING: Tom Brady, host of Sunday Night Football, while preparing for a broadcast featuring the Minnesota Vikings, was heard saying, “probably those kids will end up being as Trans and Furry as their two dads.”

Lawyers for the NFL and affiliate stations have responded to calls for Brady’s termination, saying, “no lies detected.”

Also, no lies detected.
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Re: Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Gadianton wrote:
Fri Sep 19, 2025 11:02 pm
These essays that Res Ipsa and Steuss write that are quite good receive barely any comment from Ceeboo. They get brief dismissals, which seem intended to leave the impression that the duck understands all of this and knows better, for reasons that are beneath him to expound upon. But I think this latest episode shows if there's a chance he can win, he jumps right in and submits a real answer. And this is a case, you know, what's going on today in right-wing media, something that doesn't require much effort.
By the same logic, canpakes, Xeno and Res can’t win against me. I accept your conditions.
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