Trump's War on the First Amendment

[Marcus]

...It is also noted that your first impulse is to level a threat at me. I remember the days when we used to poke fun at LDS apologists for reporting people to their employers or school supervisors for saying critical things about Mormonism or its apologists. On those rare occasions when a critic did the same to an apologist (I am thinking of GoodK contacting Bob Crockett's law partners), we decried the tactic. GoodK was suspended from the board, if I recall correctly, but I am not sure it was over that. In my view, it should have been, even if it wasn't.

You do remember why this board exists, right? It does not exist for people to threaten each other and squelch free speech. It has always existed to encourage free speech. So, it seems to me that you are suggesting you want to transform the board into another place where people don't feel free to speak their minds. Either that, or you are just being unthinking and reckless.

Do you really want to threaten the board and the people on it in this way? Is that your move? I am assuming that you enjoy coming here to be able to say your piece like the rest of us. We could have an interesting conversation about whether it is tenable to allow people to come here to threaten the free speech of participants on the board and thus the board itself.

Lol...what are you talking about a threat? Focus...I said "test," in context with freedom of speech has consequence. Whether you want to test it is up to you. But actually you ignorantly proved my point by calling it a threat in that you know if you said, via your freedom of speech right, how you actually felt, your employer might suspend or fire you...thanks.

No, no, no, no. Markk, what you said to Kishkumen is rightly considered a threat because based on your posts here, if you contacted a person's employer you would be conveying an untrue version of events. Even if you didn't lie (which I highly doubt given your manner of posting), you would be contacting them ONLY with the intent of causing problems for that person. An employer would have to investigate, but even though all that would come to light is your dishonesty and your targeted attacking of people you dislike, it would still create a difficult time for your victim.

So yes, what you did was make a threat. A cowardly, vicious threat. You violated our board rules, and in my opinion you should not be allowed to post freely if there is a concern you would make another threat. Do you plan to continue making such threats?

[Chap]

Yeah, if you ignore what happened, then you might say this. Ignoring what happened doesn't change what happened. It just makes you look like a brainwashed fool.

Lol, we can certainly test it. Say how you really feel about Kirk openly here and we can send it to [snip] and see how they react. He said something insensitive and stupid and he was suspended. There is a long list of others that have done the same and equally paid a price. From Jimmy the Greek, Bill Maher to Rosanne, off the top of my head.

We have freedom of speech, however there are consequences to our speech.

Edited. -c-

Yup, that was a threat addressed to Kishkumen, and that was underlined by his later posts. Markk should be suspended for that in my view. Can we have a ruling from the Mods, please?

[I Have Questions]

Yeah, if you ignore what happened, then you might say this. Ignoring what happened doesn't change what happened. It just makes you look like a brainwashed fool.

Lol, we can certainly test it. Say how you really feel about Kirk openly here and we can send it to [snip] and see how they react. He said something insensitive and stupid and he was suspended. There is a long list of others that have done the same and equally paid a price. From Jimmy the Greek, Bill Maher to Rosanne, off the top of my head.

We have freedom of speech, however there are consequences to our speech.

Edited. -c-

This warrants a ban in my opinion. It’s actually a breach of two important board rules. It contains in real life information and contains an in real life threat. We cannot have posters bringing threats of real life harassment to the board. I’ve reported the post and I think a public notification of what action is taken is also warranted on this occasion.

[Markk]

Lol...what are you talking about a threat? Focus...I said "test," in context with freedom of speech has consequence. Whether you want to test it is up to you. But actually you ignorantly proved my point by calling it a threat in that you know if you said, via your freedom of speech right, how you actually felt, your employer might suspend or fire you...thanks.

No, no, no, no. Markk, what you said to Kishkumen is rightly considered a threat because based on your posts here, if you contacted a person's employer you would be conveying an untrue version of events. Even if you didn't lie (which I highly doubt given your manner of posting), you would be contacting them ONLY with the intent of causing problems for that person. An employer would have to investigate, but even though all that would come to light is your dishonesty and your targeted attacking of people you dislike, it would still create a difficult time for your victim.

So yes, what you did was make a threat. A cowardly, vicious threat. You violated our board rules, and in my opinion you should not be allowed to post freely if there is a concern you would make another threat. Do you plan to continue making such threats?

LOL...given you are calling testing what his employer would do, if he actually posted on a "public" forum his true feelings about Kirk, a threat....you are conceding my point, that freedom of speech has consequences, if one steps over the line, as Kimmel did, at least with his employers and a high percentage of the country.


Thank You.

[Markk]

Lol, we can certainly test it. Say how you really feel about Kirk openly here and we can send it to [snip] and see how they react. He said something insensitive and stupid and he was suspended. There is a long list of others that have done the same and equally paid a price. From Jimmy the Greek, Bill Maher to Rosanne, off the top of my head.

We have freedom of speech, however there are consequences to our speech.

Edited. -c-

Yup, that was a threat addressed to Kishkumen, and that was underlined by his later posts. Markk should be suspended for that in my view. Can we have a ruling from the Mods, please?

LOl, so if "we," Kish and I do a test, and "we" tell his employer how he actually feels about Mr. Kirk to see whether or not free speech does have consequences....it is a threat? How so. To me it is called a challenge and experiment, hardly a threat.

However I understand your tribal need protect the weaker members of your tribe, one of the weakest by far. And I also understand it is a natural instinct to protect those that struggle to defend themselves with anything of substance on a forum like this, those that continue to stick their foot in their mouth.

by the way...Kish has stated here, on this forum where he works, and publicly on his failed podcast...it is public knowledge. Should we pretend otherwise, it is a breech of the rules when we point out DCP worked at BYU, what is the difference Chap?

Stop with the Red Queen threats, and actually address the failed OP of Kish.

Carry on

[Whiskey]

Lol...what are you talking about a threat? Focus...I said "test," in context with freedom of speech has consequence. Whether you want to test it is up to you. But actually you ignorantly proved my point by calling it a threat in that you know if you said, via your freedom of speech right, how you actually felt, your employer might suspend or fire you...thanks.

No, no, no, no. Markk, what you said to Kishkumen is rightly considered a threat because based on your posts here, if you contacted a person's employer you would be conveying an untrue version of events. Even if you didn't lie (which I highly doubt given your manner of posting), you would be contacting them ONLY with the intent of causing problems for that person. An employer would have to investigate, but even though all that would come to light is your dishonesty and your targeted attacking of people you dislike, it would still create a difficult time for your victim.

So yes, what you did was make a threat. A cowardly, vicious threat. You violated our board rules, and in my opinion you should not be allowed to post freely if there is a concern you would make another threat. Do you plan to continue making such threats?

I agree with Marcus. Kish may think he is a victim and that he can’t be expected to make his own arguments on his own thread that he started. He may need some higher authority to step in and provide leverage. Aid is not warranted, but there may be a need.

Marcus, want to discuss disclosure of personal information? Please do that in another thread. This thread is about Kimmel, who has a show on national television, being a victim of not having his free speech.

[Whiskey]

No, no, no, no. Markk, what you said to Kishkumen is rightly considered a threat because based on your posts here, if you contacted a person's employer you would be conveying an untrue version of events. Even if you didn't lie (which I highly doubt given your manner of posting), you would be contacting them ONLY with the intent of causing problems for that person. An employer would have to investigate, but even though all that would come to light is your dishonesty and your targeted attacking of people you dislike, it would still create a difficult time for your victim.

So yes, what you did was make a threat. A cowardly, vicious threat. You violated our board rules, and in my opinion you should not be allowed to post freely if there is a concern you would make another threat. Do you plan to continue making such threats?

LOL...given you are calling testing what his employer would do, if he actually posted on a "public" forum his true feelings about Kirk, a threat....you are conceding my point, that freedom of speech has consequences, if one steps over the line, as Kimmel did, at least with his employers and a high percentage of the country.


Thank You.

By show of hands, who amongst us would tell their employer, coworkers, customers and social media that the assassin made an “amazing shot” to Kirk’s neck?

We already know Team Amazing Shot would not object. Anyone else?

Free speech and choices without consequences ain't the same.

[Molok]

No, no, no, no. Markk, what you said to Kishkumen is rightly considered a threat because based on your posts here, if you contacted a person's employer you would be conveying an untrue version of events. Even if you didn't lie (which I highly doubt given your manner of posting), you would be contacting them ONLY with the intent of causing problems for that person. An employer would have to investigate, but even though all that would come to light is your dishonesty and your targeted attacking of people you dislike, it would still create a difficult time for your victim.

So yes, what you did was make a threat. A cowardly, vicious threat. You violated our board rules, and in my opinion you should not be allowed to post freely if there is a concern you would make another threat. Do you plan to continue making such threats?

LOL...given you are calling testing what his employer would do, if he actually posted on a "public" forum his true feelings about Kirk, a threat....you are conceding my point, that freedom of speech has consequences, if one steps over the line, as Kimmel did, at least with his employers and a high percentage of the country.


Thank You.

Hey dummy, try reading what they post and actually responding to that next time. And yes, you were obviously threatening him, because he makes you feel stupid, so you hate him. And you are stupid. Just so you know.

[Hound of Heaven]

LOL...given you are calling testing what his employer would do, if he actually posted on a "public" forum his true feelings about Kirk, a threat....you are conceding my point, that freedom of speech has consequences, if one steps over the line, as Kimmel did, at least with his employers and a high percentage of the country.


Thank You.

Hey dummy, try reading what they post and actually responding to that next time. And yes, you were obviously threatening him, because he makes you feel stupid, so you hate him. And you are stupid. Just so you know.

Markk did not threaten Kishkumen!

[Molok]

Hey dummy, try reading what they post and actually responding to that next time. And yes, you were obviously threatening him, because he makes you feel stupid, so you hate him. And you are stupid. Just so you know.

Markk did not threaten Kishkumen!

Leave thinking and understanding of words to the grown ups.