The GOP is Anti-American

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Re: The GOP is Anti-American

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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:05 pm

The lie that climate change is a hoax is one of the stupidest and potentially most dangerous lies I know of. Close to 99% of climate scientists agree about its reality. I trust science and scientists far more than I do politicians, even more so than the politicians I most respect. One of my very best internet friends is a recently retired PhD scientist who taught and researched climate and environmental change at Stanford University and how to mitigate it. He is not a wealthy man! He could easily have become immensely wealthy if, like Wei Hock Soon, he accepted millions of dollars in research grants from fossil fuel companies in attempts to "debunk" the reality of anthropomorphic climate change.

This friend of mine is the most intelligent, yet humble and compassionate man I know. He unhesitatingly offered to host me and my wife and down's syndrome daughter at his house for dinner and an overnight stay for me while my wife was staying overnight at Stanford University hospital with my daughter who was there for a sleep study, that determined that she needed a c-pap machine at night. The next day he gave me a tour of the Stanford campus and showed me the projects he was working on with his PhD candidate students to better understand the reality of climate and environmental change and how best to mitigate it. His work and research are very valuable and convincing. So don't you dare try to imply that he is a fraud doing it just for the money! One of his projects was designing a water treatment plant that purifies wastewater to the point that it is cleaner than it was when it came out of the tap, while powering itself using the oxides of Nitrogen found in that wastewater, with enough power left over to send to the electrical grid.

There is no doubt that he knows far more about the reality of anthropomorphic climate and environmental change than you or Trump or any other conservative politician who ignorantly thinks climate change is just a hoax!
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Only the president is allowed to express strong feelings about a topic, and he's allowed to do so about 75 times a day for the last 10 years even when not president. That's American. It's also okay for, I'm not sure what you call them, supporters of the regime and/or anti-Marxists who don't own a dictionary, to have meltdowns by the dozens or hundreds, or less frequent AI meltdowns about trans athletes and how they are winning and nobody can win but them yet for some reason they're still mad. That's American. And if anyone else shows any emotion about anything, then Ponch and Jon of the tone patrol are coming for you.
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Re: The GOP is Anti-American

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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:05 pm
Whiskey wrote:
Tue Oct 21, 2025 5:44 pm
Now we're talking.

But just for fun, please do fill us in on the politician that ain't none lied none damned ever and let's all vote for they. Clearly those WMD folks are ineligible. But the climate hoax people are eligible.
The lie that climate change is a hoax is one of the stupidest and potentially most dangerous lies I know of. Close to 99% of climate scientists agree about its reality. I trust science and scientists far more than I do politicians, even more so than the politicians I most respect. One of my very best internet friends is a recently retired PhD scientist who taught and researched climate and environmental change at Stanford University and how to mitigate it. He is not a wealthy man! He could easily have become immensely wealthy if, like Wei Hock Soon, he accepted millions of dollars in research grants from fossil fuel companies in attempts to "debunk" the reality of anthropomorphic climate change.

This friend of mine is the most intelligent, yet humble and compassionate man I know. He unhesitatingly offered to host me and my wife and down's syndrome daughter at his house for dinner and an overnight stay for me while my wife was staying overnight at Stanford University hospital with my daughter who was there for a sleep study, that determined that she needed a c-pap machine at night. The next day he gave me a tour of the Stanford campus and showed me the projects he was working on with his PhD candidate students to better understand the reality of climate and environmental change and how best to mitigate it. His work and research are very valuable and convincing. So don't you dare try to imply that he is a fraud doing it just for the money! One of his projects was designing a water treatment plant that purifies wastewater to the point that it is cleaner than it was when it came out of the tap, while powering itself using the oxides of Nitrogen found in that wastewater, with enough power left over to send to the electrical grid.

There is no doubt that he knows far more about the reality of anthropomorphic climate and environmental change than you or Trump or any other conservative politician who ignorantly thinks climate change is just a hoax!
A few things here. Congrats. Sounds like you have a hell of a friend.

Florida is still here, despite all the warnings that the ocean would submerge it entirely if Al Gore didn’t win, or whatever he was saying. The climate may change, has before, may change again. The threat of that change varies by politician, celebrity and grifting scammer.
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Re: The GOP is Anti-American

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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 1:06 pm
Only the president is allowed to express strong feelings about a topic, and he's allowed to do so about 75 times a day for the last 10 years even when not president. That's American. It's also okay for, I'm not sure what you call them, supporters of the regime and/or anti-Marxists who don't own a dictionary, to have meltdowns by the dozens or hundreds, or less frequent AI meltdowns about trans athletes and how they are wining and nobody can win but them yet for some reason they're still mad. That's American. And if anyone else shows any emotion about anything, then Ponch and Jon of the tone patrol are coming for you.
Remember those dumbass jokes about superman being drunk?


Your sarcasm reminds of that. Drunk superman.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 1:06 pm
Only the president is allowed to express strong feelings about a topic, and he's allowed to do so about 75 times a day for the last 10 years even when not president. That's American. It's also okay for, I'm not sure what you call them, supporters of the regime and/or anti-Marxists who don't own a dictionary, to have meltdowns by the dozens or hundreds, or less frequent AI meltdowns about trans athletes and how they are winning and nobody can win but them yet for some reason they're still mad. That's American. And if anyone else shows any emotion about anything, then Ponch and Jon of the tone patrol are coming for you.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 1:06 pm
Only the president is allowed to express strong feelings about a topic, and he's allowed to do so about 75 times a day for the last 10 years even when not president. That's American. It's also okay for, I'm not sure what you call them, supporters of the regime and/or anti-Marxists who don't own a dictionary, to have meltdowns by the dozens or hundreds, or less frequent AI meltdowns about trans athletes and how they are winning and nobody can win but them yet for some reason they're still mad. That's American. And if anyone else shows any emotion about anything, then Ponch and Jon of the tone patrol are coming for you.
Yeah, they hold everyone else to a higher standard than their orange savior or themselves.

But nobody's shocked by that.
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Re: The GOP is Anti-American

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Whiskey wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 1:47 pm

Florida is still here, despite all the warnings that the ocean would submerge it entirely if Al Gore didn’t win, or whatever he was saying. The climate may change, has before, may change again. The threat of that change varies by politician, celebrity and grifting scammer.
That response to the overwhelming scientific consensus about the reality and potential dangers of climate change is so incredibly ignorant that you should be deeply embarrassed by it! It is every bit as ignorant and foolish as Senator Jim Inhofe's throwing a snowball on the Senate floor in his attempt to debunk climate change!

No one, not even Al Gore, maintained that Florida would now already be entirely submerged by the ocean if he didn't win!

Nevertheless, NASA analysis shows that sea level rise is actually rising faster than predicted, which is probably why there is currently a lapse in funding for updating this website documenting sea level change, as Trump adamantly denies and rejects any evidence he doesn't like, no matter how scientifically incontrovertible. He has an utter contempt for science and scientists or anyone else who dares to tell him truths he doesn't like!

It is an incontrovertible fact that sea level rise is already having growingly adverse impacts on Florida, whether Trump or anyone else likes it or not!
King tides in South Florida: Getting worse and a sign of sea level rise to come
The saltwater burbled up - across roads and yards and parks, out of street drains and over the top of crumbling sea walls - a seeping nuisance that every year becomes more of threat for waterfront South Florida.

Seasonal king tides, the annual spate of highest tides of the year, brought coastal flooding across much of the region - much of it relatively minor and brief, thanks in large part to mostly clear and dry skies. Forecasters say Wednesday was likely to be the highest of them for the year, although another handful are still ahead on the calendar and if they coincide with heavy rains, it can easily raise flooding levels.

While the tides are nothing new, many people who live in impacted neighborhoods worry they're getting higher.

In Miami's Little Havana, Skip Alligood, who owns a house right along Grove Park near the Miami River, has seen it during his 22 years there.

"It's getting worse and worse each year - next year, it'll reach my driveway," he said. The only solution, he said, is for the city to fix the sea wall.

"That would increase the property value, but right now, it's decreasing, because who would want to move here, with this going on," he said, standing a couple of feet from the rising water that had already flooded part of the park, the parking lot and public trash cans that were floating around.

King tides are natural. They've always been higher than usual this time of year. But scientists agree they're also supercharged by human-caused climate change, which has sent sea levels climbing in recent decades. Compared to three decades ago, the sea is about eight inches higher.

In low-lying South Florida, that's enough to overtop docks, creep up through waterfront drains and submerge some streets. And it's happening within most residents' lifetimes.
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Re: The GOP is Anti-American

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Gunnar wrote:
Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:31 am
Whiskey wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 1:47 pm

Florida is still here, despite all the warnings that the ocean would submerge it entirely if Al Gore didn’t win, or whatever he was saying. The climate may change, has before, may change again. The threat of that change varies by politician, celebrity and grifting scammer.
That response to the overwhelming scientific consensus about the reality and potential dangers of climate change is so incredibly ignorant that you should be deeply embarrassed by it! It is every bit as ignorant and foolish as Senator Jim Inhofe's throwing a snowball on the Senate floor in his attempt to debunk climate change!

No one, not even Al Gore, maintained that Florida would now already be entirely submerged by the ocean if he didn't win!

Nevertheless, NASA analysis shows that sea level rise is actually rising faster than predicted, which is probably why there is currently a lapse in funding for updating this website documenting sea level change, as Trump adamantly denies and rejects any evidence he doesn't like, no matter how scientifically incontrovertible. He has an utter contempt for science and scientists or anyone else who dares to tell him truths he doesn't like!

It is an incontrovertible fact that sea level rise is already having growingly adverse impacts on Florida, whether Trump or anyone else likes it or not!
King tides in South Florida: Getting worse and a sign of sea level rise to come
The saltwater burbled up - across roads and yards and parks, out of street drains and over the top of crumbling sea walls - a seeping nuisance that every year becomes more of threat for waterfront South Florida.

Seasonal king tides, the annual spate of highest tides of the year, brought coastal flooding across much of the region - much of it relatively minor and brief, thanks in large part to mostly clear and dry skies. Forecasters say Wednesday was likely to be the highest of them for the year, although another handful are still ahead on the calendar and if they coincide with heavy rains, it can easily raise flooding levels.

While the tides are nothing new, many people who live in impacted neighborhoods worry they're getting higher.

In Miami's Little Havana, Skip Alligood, who owns a house right along Grove Park near the Miami River, has seen it during his 22 years there.

"It's getting worse and worse each year - next year, it'll reach my driveway," he said. The only solution, he said, is for the city to fix the sea wall.

"That would increase the property value, but right now, it's decreasing, because who would want to move here, with this going on," he said, standing a couple of feet from the rising water that had already flooded part of the park, the parking lot and public trash cans that were floating around.

King tides are natural. They've always been higher than usual this time of year. But scientists agree they're also supercharged by human-caused climate change, which has sent sea levels climbing in recent decades. Compared to three decades ago, the sea is about eight inches higher.

In low-lying South Florida, that's enough to overtop docks, creep up through waterfront drains and submerge some streets. And it's happening within most residents' lifetimes.
So when will Florida go under then?
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Whiskey wrote:
Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:36 pm
So when will Florida go under then?
We’re already on the way there in critical areas. The state has to keep throwing gobs of money at fixing the issues from sea level rise.
TL;DR - Rising Seas and Flooding in Miami
  • Sea-level rise: +5 in since 1996; projected +10–17 in by 2040 and up to 54 in by 2070.
  • Sunny-day flooding: regular high tides now flood Miami Beach streets; roads being elevated to 3.7 ft above datum.
  • Tourism risk: 67,000 city assets exposed, from beaches to hotels to cruise terminals.
  • Insurance crisis: premiums up 322 % in one year; flood-prone properties losing billions in value.
  • Adaptation efforts: $400 M Miami Forever Bond, pumps, seawalls, and living shorelines underway.
https://www.thetraveler.org/miami-fight ... seas-rise/
Sounds pretty expensive. Much more expensive than pretending climate change can’t happen.
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