WHO or WHICH is most important?

[Shulem]

II Peter 3:1-10

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

Peter wrote to Christian cult members at Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. His message has nothing to do with me, an enlightened man living some 2,000 years in the future.

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Peter was speaking to Christian cult members of his time while barking new orders to *them*.

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Christ was said to soon come back and judge the world for “the day of Christ is at hand” (2 Thes 2:2). The Christians stood watch but nothing at hand happened. He did not come back for those were “soon shaken in mind” and nor did he return “quickly” as promised in the Book of Revelations.

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Peter then continues to ramble on about how God made the world and how people fail to believe or accept the prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ and his quick return to earth. He notes how a day of fiery judgement is coming and “that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” He tells of how the day will come and that “The Lord is not slack (slow)” to keep that promise, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.”

That day did not come and neither did it come in a thousand years after Peter’s false prophecy. The “day” (1,000 years) passed on and then another day (1,000 years) expired. And so here we are today, in 2026 and Christians are stuck waiting on the Lord’s day.

The prophecy failed.

I so testify.

[bill4long]

The prophecy failed.

The gospels of Mark and Matthew, Paul, Peter, the Book of Revelation, all made predictions that Jesus would return in the lifetime of the recipients, and they all failed. Spectacularly. A lot of Christians apparently don't bother to read the Hebrew Bible, which they claim they believe in...

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.' And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word which the Yahweh has not spoken?' When a prophet speaks in the name of the Yahweh, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Yahweh has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him. (Deut 18)

The New Testament is thusly falsified. One need not be afraid of it.

[Shulem]

The gospels of Mark and Matthew, Paul, Peter, the Book of Revelation, all made predictions that Jesus would return in the lifetime of the recipients, and they all failed.

No question about it. False prophecy out of the mouth of false prophets:

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All those who remained, soon died. Period. End of story. Time itself proved the cult was false.

A lot of Christians apparently don't bother to read the Hebrew Bible, which they claim they believe in...

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.' And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word which the Yahweh has not spoken?' When a prophet speaks in the name of the Yahweh, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Yahweh has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him. (Deut 18)

The New Testament is thusly falsified. One need not be afraid of it.

The Romans and the overwhelming mass majority of Jews and foreigners were not afraid of the Christian cult and claims made by its cult leaders. According to tradition, Peter, Paul, and others were put to death for pushing false religion and perverting ancient scripture. The people were not afraid of Christian fanatics and had no regard for their god.

You are free to worship Jesus and praise him all you want. But, you must confess that your GOD has not shown his face or manifested himself in physical presence for 2,000 years although his worshippers to this day faithfully await his return. Faith in his return may have been sincere but it failed to material or happen. Jesus *is* dead.

II Peter 3:3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

So, was Peter living in the “last days” during these prophetic Christian announcements?

YES!

2 Elect...

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice...
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So, the Christians who lived in the last times looked to salvation through Christ who would certainly come in the “last times” (last days) which was the era in which *they* lived. So, the last days was nearly 2,000 years ago during the times of the apostles!

So, the Christians who lived in the last times looked to salvation through Christ who would certainly come in the “last times” (last days) which was the era in which *they* lived. So, the last days was nearly 2,000 years ago during the times of the apostles!

Verified:

But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

[LittleNipper]

So, the Christians who lived in the last times looked to salvation through Christ who would certainly come in the “last times” (last days) which was the era in which *they* lived. So, the last days was nearly 2,000 years ago during the times of the apostles!

Verified:

But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

If you are interested, here is a video from Dallas Theological Seminary on the subject at hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPrWPzEv94

[Shulem]

If you are interested, here is a video from Dallas Theological Seminary on the subject at hand:

Of course I am not interested in apologetic links in defending the Christian cult.

Do you know, LittleNipper, I have read the Bible more times than you have fingers and toes?

May I kindly ask, do you expect Jesus to return in your lifetime?

[bill4long]

So, the Christians who lived in the last times looked to salvation through Christ who would certainly come in the “last times” (last days) which was the era in which *they* lived. So, the last days was nearly 2,000 years ago during the times of the apostles!

Besides this you know what hour it is, how it is full time now for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed; the night is far gone, the day is upon us. --Roman 13:11-12

The God of peace will very soon crush Satan under your feet. --Romans 16:20

I mean, brothers, the appointed time has grown very short; from now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the form of this world is currently passing away. --1 Cor 7:29-31

Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom --Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27

This generation shall not pass till all these things be done. --Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32

You will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. --Matthew 10:23

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must very soon take place; Rev 1:1

Look, I am coming very soon, bringing my rewards, to repay every one for what he has done. --Rev 22:12

Children, it is the final hour --1 John 2:18

If you are interested, here is a video from Dallas Theological Seminary on the subject at hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPrWPzEv94

Nice people. And completely ridiculous with regards to the topic.

[LittleNipper]

If you are interested, here is a video from Dallas Theological Seminary on the subject at hand:

Of course I am not interested in apologetic links in defending the Christian cult.

Do you know, LittleNipper, I have read the Bible more times than you have fingers and toes?

May I kindly ask, do you expect Jesus to return in your lifetime?

Christians are to always be vigilant. I can only suggest that we seem to be moving closer, at an accelerating rate...

[Limnor]

I lean toward a partial preterist view within a telescoped fulfillment of prophecy as a way to understand those verses.

“You never go full preterist.” SGT Lincoln Osiris, United States Army

[Shulem]

May I kindly ask, do you expect Jesus to return in your lifetime?

Christians are to always be vigilant. I can only suggest that we seem to be moving closer, at an accelerating rate...

Imagine, if you will, 1st century Christians being told (by angel LittleNipper) that Christ will not return for at least 2,000 years! Do you suppose they would be sorely disappointed and begin to question the letters written to them from the apostles? Do you suppose Peter and Paul would receive your message and include it in their epistles?

St Peter and a small handful of Christians living during his lifetime may have been diligent but their faith was in vain because Christ failed to return according to the teachings of the Church. The early Christians were like JW’s & Mormons in making predictions about Christ coming being very soon because the day of the Lord was at hand. Sounds like a cult!

Three cults:

• Christians
• Mormons
• JW’s

Special thanks to bill4long for his contributions in demonstrating that the day of the Lord was soon at hand and how the cult’s prophecy failed miserably:

• the day is upon us
• very soon
• the appointed time has grown very short
• some who are standing here will not taste death
• This generation shall not pass till
• You will not finish
• must very soon take place
• I am coming very soon
• it is the final hour

I lean toward a partial preterist view within a telescoped fulfillment of prophecy as a way to understand those verses.

“You never go full preterist.” SGT Lincoln Osiris, United States Army

That is an apologetic fallback that would not have been well received by the apostles who formed the Christian church and established the beliefs concerning the Second Coming. The JW’s are having to rebrand and walk back their predictions and the Mormons had to do the same after Joseph Smith died and time (latter days) continued ever onward.

May I suggest you simply 86 the cult and move on?

[bill4long]

I lean toward a partial preterist view within a telescoped fulfillment of prophecy as a way to understand those verses.

“You never go full preterist.” SGT Lincoln Osiris, United States Army

That is an apologetic fallback that would not have been well received by the apostles who formed the Christian church and established the beliefs concerning the Second Coming. The JW’s are having to rebrand and walk back their predictions and the Mormons had to do the same after Joseph Smith died and time (latter days) continued ever onward.

May I suggest you simply 86 the cult and move on?

Let's not forget the Millerite movement in the 1830s, that spawned the Seventh Day Adventists; John Darby, who invented the current premillennial dispensational delusion loved by so many evangelicals, made popular by the delusional Scofield Bible; and more recently, all the false prophets who claimed that Jesus was coming in the last forty years, such as Hal Lindsey, Harold Camping, et al.

If there is a Creator, it or its agent(s) may show up one day and rule the planet. But there's no reason to believe any of the biblical apologist clowns are correct about anything, based on their track record and clear denial of what the New Testament writers actually said. And how they mishandle Daniel chapter 9 is a study in apologetic lunacy.