Kwaku on the Offensive Against Radio Free Mormon!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I’m aware he settled a real estate dispute when a Catholic friar who was, I think, being swindled asked him to intervene, which he did. That was with regard to to the property on South Temple, I believe. Would you mind providing a credible source with regard to to him ‘helping the Catholics build their church’ in SLC? I’m interested in reading the account.

- Doc

The LDS Church president sided with the priest and even offered, according to a contemporary newspaper account, to donate $500 for a school and church planned for the site.

https://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?re ... i_12993316

That’s like $20k today. That’s helping.

The school was never built and the $500 didn’t go to the parish. So. A friar received permission to build a church, he bought the lot with the Catholic church’s money, someone attempted to take the property through dubious means (I have no idea if they were Mormon or not), he went to BY to ask that his deed be honored, and BY sided with the Catholic church’s deed. Is that what you meant when you said BY helped build the Catholic church’s cathedral?

- Doc

[Sledge]

The school was never built, so the $500 didn’t go to the parish. So. A friar received permission to build a church, he bought the lot with the Catholic church’s money, someone was attempted to take the property through dubious means (I have no idea if they were Mormon or not), he went to BY to ask that his deed be honored, and BY sided with the Catholic church’s deed. Is that what you meant when you said BY helped build the Catholic church’s cathedral?

- Doc

The school was built.

Brigham Young sided with the Catholic Church—you don’t do that if you think they’re the devil or whatever.

Just stop trying to find things to hate. This is a positive story.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The school was never built, so the $500 didn’t go to the parish. So. A friar received permission to build a church, he bought the lot with the Catholic church’s money, someone was attempted to take the property through dubious means (I have no idea if they were Mormon or not), he went to BY to ask that his deed be honored, and BY sided with the Catholic church’s deed. Is that what you meant when you said BY helped build the Catholic church’s cathedral?

- Doc

The school was built.

Brigham Young sided with the Catholic Church—you don’t do that if you think they’re the devil or whatever.

Just stop trying to find things to hate. This is a positive story.

CFR on the school being built* I’d like to be better informed if that’s the case.

You said BY helped build the cathedral. Finding for the Catholics having a legal deed to the property is him helping them build the cathedral? Is that what you meant when you made that statement earlier?

- Doc

eta:

From JSTOR:

... Brigham Young, for the prophet not only ruled in Kelly’s favor but even offered a donation of five hundred dollars if the priest would create a Catholic school. Kelly never did, as health problems forced him to withdraw to California (other priests came to continue the work) ...

[MG 2.0]

The school was never built, so the $500 didn’t go to the parish. So. A friar received permission to build a church, he bought the lot with the Catholic church’s money, someone was attempted to take the property through dubious means (I have no idea if they were Mormon or not), he went to BY to ask that his deed be honored, and BY sided with the Catholic church’s deed. Is that what you meant when you said BY helped build the Catholic church’s cathedral?

- Doc

The school was built.

Brigham Young sided with the Catholic Church—you don’t do that if you think they’re the devil or whatever.

Just stop trying to find things to hate.

Good luck with that.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

Just stop trying to find things to hate.

Good luck with that.

Regards,
MG

The Celestial Forum is the place to be.

[MG 2.0]

So I’m guessing the Mormonism you grew up with didn’t limit eternal families to the celestial kingdom.

Good grief.

What does an eternal family consist of? How would an eternal family differ from say, your Uncle Ted and Aunt Martha who celebrated their 50th Anniversary, more in love than the day they were married…but they were Jewish…and they died without the gospel. They go to the Spirit World and aren’t too keen on being joint heirs with Christ. So, what becomes of their relationship? What do you think? How will it be different for them compared to a righteous LDS couple, married in the temple, with their marriage ratified by the Holy Spirit of Promise?

Interested in your thoughts.

Regards,
MG

*bump

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The school was built.

Brigham Young sided with the Catholic Church—you don’t do that if you think they’re the devil or whatever.

Just stop trying to find things to hate.

Good luck with that.

Regards,
MG

[Moksha]

The school was built.

What school was built? Was it named the Kwaku-Cardon Near Normal School?

[Atlanticmike]

So I’m guessing the Mormonism you grew up with didn’t limit eternal families to the celestial kingdom.

Good grief.

What does an eternal family consist of? How would an eternal family differ from say, your Uncle Ted and Aunt Martha who celebrated their 50th Anniversary, more in love than the day they were married…but they were Jewish…and they died without the gospel. They go to the Spirit World and aren’t too keen on being joint heirs with Christ. So, what becomes of their relationship? What do you think? How will it be different for them compared to a righteous LDS couple, married in the temple, with their marriage ratified by the Holy Spirit of Promise?

Interested in your thoughts.

Regards,
MG

An eternal family (celestial family), looks like a gathering of just a fraction of 1% of God's spirit children who won the war in heaven and decided to be tested here on Earth. While here, decided to wear magic underwear, not drink coffee, look down on people who drink alcohol, pretend to enjoy green JELL-O, be obsessed with masturbation, view everyone we meet as a potential Mormon and so on and so on. Come on mg2.0! Everyone here who grew up in the church knows what it "requires" to reach the celestial kingdom. We are a work based religion. We never stop working, never ever! Am I wrong, tell me what you think a celestial family looks like? Thanks.

One other thing. Do you understand why a large percentage of Christians have a hard time with our religion? It's not just Joseph, prophets, polygamy and so on. You see, most Christians preach of the dying Christ! That's why the cross is so important to modern day Christians. We on the other hand, preach and teach the living Christ. That's why we don't wear or present the cross in any way. Christianity will never accept us while we view the cross as a torture device. The cross and the sacrifice Christ made for us is everything to a Christian. For us, it's just a piece of the puzzle. Correct?

[ceeboo]

Good morning, Mike

One other thing. Do you understand why a large percentage of Christians have a hard time with our religion? It's not just Joseph, prophets, polygamy and so on. You see, most Christians preach of the dying Christ! That's why the cross is so important to modern day Christians.

A slight correction (or perhaps an addition) if I may: It's more than the "dying Christ" - Much more actually. It's the resurrection - the Resurrected Christ that most Christians preach and find extremely significant. In other words, it's not just the death on the cross, it's the defeating of death that was accomplished on the cross by Christ. And the scriptural "wages of sin is death" leaves all of us in that boat - Unless we attach ourselves to Jesus and what Jesus did, then we can avoid this wage - not by what we can do or by what we did - but by what Jesus has already done.

Just my take anyway.