Since you asked...I might be tempted to simply cop an attitude of "Stick it, yo" but in this case, I do think honor makes a good point if I understand correctly and I think I do.Moksha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:46 pmI'm trying to think how Jersey Girl would respond to you. She expresses her indignation well.honorentheos wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:24 pm
Or take some ownership.
Again, you aren't that different from the people you criticize when you post that way, then refuse to have any accountability, and you are making it more and more apparent with each post. Being on the right side of an issue doesn't make you right.
I know I see the world from a different lens that's typically behavioral and leans into Soc and Psych. That's how I relate to the world around me, unless it's an ecosystem we're talking about and I think I could make a case for comparing the interdependence in the natural world and take it right into Soc and Psych so there's that, too, because I almost never stop thinking like that and there's no end to it until I call it quits on my own brain. I think there's a case to be made for evolution-based adaptation that leads to survival here which also leans into Soc...see I can't stop.
And that's actually how I see where honor is coming from, a point of acknowledging human interdependence and frustration (perhaps fear) at what he observes when he widens the lens. I could be wrong!
When you pluck all the feathers down to bare skin, it's all about survival.
We live in a world (I'm dead dog sure honor sees this) where human beings communicate remotely and behind screens. Especially right now given the global pandemic. This type of communication lends itself to polarization of groups. That's why you see what you see in Cam's posts when he pulls them off the outlying places of the Internet for us. There is no longer consequence when crazies act crazy and whip each other into a frenzy. People are trying to find their tribe and the tribes aren't always healthy or constructive.
As human beings we pick and choose what we will pay attention to. What resonates with us based on a series of complex connections we make in our minds. Example, that place called Parler I think it is, because when you think about it--is there really anything left in this world that we can rightly identify as mainstream news coverage? When I look at the headlines even on CNN what I see are sensationalized headlines---BOMB CYCLONE HITS MAINE!!! Listen, it's an early winter snow storm and if you think the people in NE don't expect to lose power you've not got one foot in reality. There are tons of headlines on CNN (which is usually my first news stop each day--no one knows why) and what I see right now is posted in terms of "Why we're in the mess we're in" or "The surge gripping the United States" or what the heck ever...Trump stuff included.
These news headlines are intended to get our attention and they do just exactly that. So...you've got folks tuning into say CNN and whatnot, and folks tuning into the more remote nutty places here in Internet land and you know limits to how many characters one may use in a message or I guess Twitter field, and people relying on snappy little memes that mean something to them but aren't received the same way by others and the result is that you've got people stressed out, keyed up, in pretty much a state of flight or fight for sustained periods of time and then the herd becomes agitated--running in circles and looking for the right place to jump the fence only they don't really know where they are going--they're just going to jump.
Back to honor's crap. I see him addressing pretty much the same thing: polarization of society. When people become isolated and polarized, crazy crap happens. They start to see the world as divided into groups and sides. They lose the ability to see humans as individuals. When they lose the ability to see humans as individuals---they stop seeing humans as flesh and blood humans.
All this crap is coming straight out of my head so bear with me, okay?
When you wrote about Trumpers and preppers, I came back to you with a post about another type of Trumper/prepper. I did it for the express purpose of trying to show you a different type of human being who doesn't fit the model that you described regarding establishing another Third Reich. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where that comes from. If the whole entire grid went down in the next few minutes, we have what we need to survive for at least a year right down to the ham radio. Even though the Trump passions are just down to little embers around here, the concern is the state of the world you are seeing taking place right now in real time. I don't know if what we are seeing is being blown out of proportion by the media but the concerns feel real--and that also touches on what honor is saying and what I said about flight or fight.
And that is where the problem lies. It looks a lot like the sky is about to fall and the only thing between us and destruction of our society is our ability to hold the sky up--all hands on deck.
honor, in one of his posts here, spoke of Ghandi. Ghandi is exactly where it's at for me and in my mind, that's what we should focus on. The government isn't going to pull us out of this hole. We have to pull ourselves out and be willing to reach out to the other guy and pull him up with us. You know, touch each other in positive ways.
I posted a thread right here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=156
It's called The Land of Many Colors. Only one person touched it...Philo Sofee. That post wasn't me being cute posting a children's book. That children's book is PURE SOCIOLOGY. It talks about the conflicts in a society, tribalism, how a society was brought to the brink of destruction...and how people saved it from said destruction.
This is where we are at right now. This is what I think lies beneath honors strong words to you.
This isn't about a children's book, it's not about an old protest song, it's not about you thinking that honor is being an asshole to you. It's about the real state of the real word that we really live in. honor is waving his hands at you and others and telling you to STOP.EVE OF DESTRUCTION
The eastern world, it is explodin',
Violence flarin', bullets loadin',
You're old enough to kill but not for votin',
You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin',
And even the Jordan river has bodies floatin',
But you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say?
And can't you feel the fears I'm feeling today?
If the button is pushed, there's no running away,
There'll be no one to save with the world in a grave,
Take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy,
And you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin',
I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin',
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
Handful of Senators don't pass legislation,
And marches alone can't bring integration,
When human respect is disintegratin',
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin',
And you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
Think of all the hate there is in Red China!
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama!
Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space,
But when your return, it's the same old place,
The poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace,
You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace,
Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace,
And you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend,
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
Stop contributing to the divisiveness in the world. Stop labeling people in such a way that dehumanizes them. Stop being part of the problem and Ghandi yourself into being part of the solution.
honor really cares. He acts like a full on self admitted asshole at times, but I see him as caring deeply about this society, all the folks in it and where were are headed if we don't stop this crap we're doing.
Words matter. How we speak to and about each other matter. Our interactions with each other--- strangers/friends/family in real life and on this board, they all matter. I absolutely believe without question, that one person can make a difference and that one gesture or a kind sincere conversation, showing interest in another human being who may feel forgotten, uncared for, marginalized or just wished to hell that someone would ask them how they are and stick around and listen to hear the answer, can cause a rippling effect throughout society at large. I absolutely believe that if we all temper our remarks even here on this board (watch I'll go off on someone in the next 5 minutes) that makes a difference to our thinking, our attitude, and how we interact with folks in real life. You know...be the change like Ghandi taught us. Lead by example and hope to hell we get it right.
That is what I think honor is trying to get across here. If I am wrong, he'll say so.
