Religion is stupid. Religion Kills

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 am
Icarus wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:24 pm
Trump's idiot Supreme Court pick says religious idiots like her should be able to endanger the rest of society because killing people via community spread isn't as important as the right to gather in a tight building to show a supposedly omnipresent God that you love him.
Don’t we all have a Constitutional right to peaceable assembly? Why has every governor forgot that the people have this right?
I think in order to answer that question reasonably, we need to know where you think an individual’s rights end with regard to to other individuals. We also need to know if you believe a government should be given the power to protect its citizens at the expense of individual libertarian rights.

Please tell us what you think.

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Shades doesn't understand individual rights. They are not absolute.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 am
Icarus wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:24 pm
Trump's idiot Supreme Court pick says religious idiots like her should be able to endanger the rest of society because killing people via community spread isn't as important as the right to gather in a tight building to show a supposedly omnipresent God that you love him.
Don’t we all have a Constitutional right to peaceable assembly? Why has every governor forgot that the people have this right?
I don’t think they have, Shades. Constitutional rights are not absolute, and are subject to reasonable restrictions on time, place and manner. In an emergency, what is reasonable changes, depending on the circumstances. The Constitution is not intended to protect groups that threaten the life and health of others. The alternatives — forced isolation and quarantine — have been found Constitutional. I think governors are attempting to protect the life and health of their citizens through less invasive means.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:46 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 am
Don’t we all have a Constitutional right to peaceable assembly? Why has every governor forgot that the people have this right?
I think in order to answer that question reasonably, we need to know where you think an individual’s rights end with regard to to other individuals.
I agree with what's been said elsewhere: Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
We also need to know if you believe a government should be given the power to protect its citizens at the expense of individual libertarian rights.
That probably ought to be determined on a case-by-case basis, but I think the principle of informed consent takes precedence.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:40 pm
Only if you put the unwilling at risk. If everyone in proposed peaceful assembly X knows the risks and choose to participate anyway, I don't think any local government has the power to overturn a constitutional right--especially since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land (i.e., taking precedence over any state government).
The problem is that you can't get consent from everyone the peaceful assemblers have contact with outside that room. And your consent also doesn't include the healthcare workers who will need to take on additional load because you needed your reckless freedom. Your death pact also doesn't include all those who will die because the hospitals are overloaded after you all decided to bask in the glow of American Freedom.

Some things require an adequate government response. The constitution is not dogma.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:26 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:46 pm
I think in order to answer that question reasonably, we need to know where you think an individual’s rights end with regard to to other individuals.
I agree with what's been said elsewhere: Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
We also need to know if you believe a government should be given the power to protect its citizens at the expense of individual libertarian rights.
That probably ought to be determined on a case-by-case basis, but I think the principle of informed consent takes precedence.
I'm honestly not trying to be antagonistic when I ask this. How does what you posted square with what's happening now, within the context of a pandemic?

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:26 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:46 pm
I think in order to answer that question reasonably, we need to know where you think an individual’s rights end with regard to to other individuals.
I agree with what's been said elsewhere: Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
We also need to know if you believe a government should be given the power to protect its citizens at the expense of individual libertarian rights.
That probably ought to be determined on a case-by-case basis, but I think the principle of informed consent takes precedence.

Whose informed consent takes precedence here? The religious groups? Front line workers? Funeral directors? Refrigerated truck suppliers?
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Here's the ruling itself. In case anyone hasn't posted a link to it yet. In case anyone wishes to actually read it.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 7_4g15.pdf
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 am
Icarus wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:24 pm
Trump's idiot Supreme Court pick says religious idiots like her should be able to endanger the rest of society because killing people via community spread isn't as important as the right to gather in a tight building to show a supposedly omnipresent God that you love him.
Don’t we all have a Constitutional right to peaceable assembly? Why has every governor forgot that the people have this right?
The religious groups did NOT lose their right to peaceable assembly. They retained that right so long as they assembled in groups of 10 or less.
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Icarus wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:18 am
Your right to assemble is void if it puts others in danger.
Unless of course it's a mostly peaceful BLM protest. Then the rights of healthcare workers, property owners, risk of COVID spread or even just the right to walk down the street without being mugged and assaulted all become irrelevant once the race card is played.
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